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noland
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I perform a lot of children's shows. Children of a certain age won't hesitate to challenge you if they think they know the secret, even when they are totally off base. And occasionally you'll run into one who is particularly troublesome and just won't shut up. I'm not offering a definitive solution for addressing it here, although I probably would not have handed a ring out to a cub scout heckler to examine as you did because it puts him at the center of attention and risks letting him start calling the shots. I would say this about the linking rings: I have seen some routines where the handling is extremely magical and baffling, even for those of us in the know, and which would fool laymen who think they know the secret, such as Chris Capehart's routine (when performed by Chris). Some linking ring moves are very strong (e.g. the crash link) and some weaker. I think it is possible to construct routines that fool people, even people who think they know the secret because they've seen a set of rings in a magic set, if you really master some of the really strong moves, weed out the weak moves, and, develop an entertaining routine appropriate for the particular audience (check out Kimmo's routine on his new DVD).
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On 2009-05-04 11:50, bsears wrote:
People are always going to want to see the rings. The reason - this is one of the most exposed effects in magic. Unfortunately, the rings come in almost all of the beginner's magic sets. A pro may have a few more "moves," but the secret is the same and you'll take a lot of heat because of it.

Personally, I stopped doing the rings a few weeks after learning a nice routine and having these type of problems. The final straw: I was doing a scout show and had a kid yell out the secret. Loudly. I tried to blow him off, but he persisted. He finally said "Well if that isn't the secret, let us look at them." I handed him one ring. "No," he says "all of them." And of course, you can't. I haven't done the rings since.


I think that if you routine the rings to eliminate all those snags you mention, you will get those who know the method scratching their heads. I know this is the case through experience and trial and error.

At the end of the day they know it ain't real magic, but if you can entertain them and add a little mystery even to the knowledgeable spectators, then we've done our job Smile.

The way I've structured my routine I haven't (as yet) had anyone want to look at the rings at the end, they've been handling them all along and also I'm 'not running'

It's a pity you stopped using this effect due to the exposure, but as I mentioned, you can still do any effect which has been exposed and still baffle and entertain the audience, it just takes a little more thought.

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I rememember a way back when a heckler interupted a friend's routine. Old Jack said, "I'll break one of these rings just for you," and handed him the key ring while taking back a solid one. Then Jack continued with his routine -- a spare key always at the ready. Later he asked the guy, "Did you fix it yet?"

No sure I'd do that, but ...
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On 2009-05-04 17:09, funsway wrote:
I rememember a way back when a heckler interupted a friend's routine. Old Jack said, "I'll break one of these rings just for you," and handed him the key ring while taking back a solid one. Then Jack continued with his routine -- a spare key always at the ready. Later he asked the guy, "Did you fix it yet?"

No sure I'd do that, but ...


Like it funsway, sort of thing I would do!! If you have the confidence you can just about do anything Smile.

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What I like to do is actually very easy...no difficult switches and stuff.
I just ADMIT after the routine that "these are special rings" and everyone is actually able to do the same as I did!
Then I put the rings back in the bag and hand the bag out, at the moment the person wants to take the rings I pull back and say: "but you need those special rings" *wink* I just put them back in my pocket and say..."okay, okay...maybe that was to cheesy, I'll show something with these rings"!

I take two elastic bands out and perfom the crazy man's handcuffs and the linking rubberbands at the end.

It is not so difficult to figure out the secret behind the rings and some bright lay-minds told me exactly how it was done...I lied off course about that and worked my routine as it does!

But come on........there MUST be a hole!

I always call it juggling with the rings...where everybody knows their must be something going on with the rings! But juggling is cool to watch so that's why I want to show the routine!

My audiences seem to take that from me...maybe you need to try it out for yourself!
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For close-up, consider Jay Sankey's "Three Ring Circus." It uses key rings (the kind you put your car keys on). The routine is structured so that the spectator can handle the rings before and after the effect.
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I continue to do the rings, I really like them.

If you handle casually, not appearing to be too careful and not looking like you are hiding anything, it usually goes pretty well.

A nice subtlety with the Ninja Rings. I do the Odin count with the rings and spread my right hand wide to show the first three rings clearly separate. The """ in the fourth ring is easily hidden by my strategically placed thumb. The rest of my hand is unchanged from before.

A similar thing works with the larger rings, of course you have to partially close the right hand. to hide the ***.

Once while I did the crash link I failed and had to do it again. To make sure that I didn't fail the second time it hit them together with more force. One fellow sat back smug in the knowledge that he figured it out, that you had to strike them hard to get it to part and do the link. I then had the crash link under control so I did a really soft crash and they linked. He was puzzled.
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On 2009-06-29 23:27, marty.sasaki wrote:

If you handle casually, not appearing to be too careful and not looking like you are hiding anything, it usually goes pretty well.


Many magician use the fake rotation move to demonstrate that the key is 'solid' -- but make the mistake of doing this ONLY with the key. If you wish the turning to be natural you must do it with all rings. If resting the key on your arm is to be natural it must be done with other rings. If you like a tumble type link, then do it with the linked pair also. Establishing Patterns of Performance (PoP) is essential to 'appearing natural'.
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I was once doing a kid's show with a cheap set of rings. I handed one of the rings out to a boy to examine, a single, and he actually broke it at the weld!
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Here is one solution if you can get by with 5" rings (cheap). Get several inexpensive sets and cut them up until you have eight single rings. As spectators come in have a friend ask if they would be willing to be a volunteer during the show. If so, and are sincere and not wierd, give them a ring to hold. Throughout the show have people hold up their ring and you have pre-screened volunteers. Collect their rings in a basket and do your ring routine.

You will never have a request to examine them.

The 'swap' is a hardly mentioned sleight in magic -- wonder why?
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On 2009-06-30 07:34, rikbrooks wrote:
I was once doing a kid's show with a cheap set of rings. I handed one of the rings out to a boy to examine, a single, and he actually broke it at the weld!

Most linking rings are junk, now. If the weld isn't ground smooth and if I can see the ends of the welded parts, I wouldn't buy them. Welds are supposed to be hard to spot. Empire rings are only good for a dealer demo, but not for an audience of real people. Even with the Klamm rings, I'd have to inspect them to make sure that the welds are good - saw one set that wasn't so good. Both of my sets are old Klamm rings - work great!
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Perhaps in the spectator eye the weld proves it is solid while a perfect ring is suspect. You could always say, "Check that weld for me -- I don't want these rings coming apart."
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Pete Biro
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Ed Marlo had a rouine with the cheap Adams sets that took advantage of the bad welds.
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Joe Porper makes high quality rings. You will have nothing to worry about.

There are books that show how to do different routines using no key ring.
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Joe Porper does a locking key which is a piece of art.
It would blend nicely in the handing out of a chain after, following Funsway's advice, the spectator has been asked to recheck the welding (on another ring).

I suspect that the best use of a locking key would then consist in linking two independent rings with the key in the middle and to have one spectator holding the tricked chain between his spread hands as someone else is asked to check the weldings on these ones "as well".

When doing some research in my library on the linking ring routines for Pete Biro, I came across the idea (I don't recall the author) to have a solid single getting trapped into the leg of a table. The method was using a clever ring switch for one already linked on the table's foot. This kills the idea of checking the rings because the audience gets busy checking the one on the table's foot (a seemingly even more impossible feat: don't ask me why).
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With Porper's key, I thought of a routine I was going to do at Kramien's Northwest Jamboree... but it was cancelled. I was going to bring on three rings and hand them around the necks of three front row spectators. With the K at the back. Then ask each person to grip the rings with both hands and try to pull the rings forward through their necks (!) to prove they were solid.
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You could always start by offering to give someone the key ring for examination before anyone asks to see it. Then as they reach for it, pull it back and say, "That's enough of THAT!" or "You'd love to, WOULDN'T you." This is a variation of something I saw Mark Mason do with a deck of cards on one of his DVDs (DECADE, maybe?) It should get a laugh and would put you in control before anyone asks to see your props. Let's face it, though. Doesn't just about everyone know how the linking rings work, but they are still entertained by a magician who performs his routine well?
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