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Not saying I agree completely with this article, but it's an interesting alternative perspective, one I hadn't considered before. What do you think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-har......147.html
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Very eye opening!
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I love them.

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Brave-or-......62992.jp

But I wouldn't like them to catch me. Smile
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What a load of crap. These are Thugs and Scumbags. Hang 'em high.
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Well that would be a waste of money, they are getting 2 Mil each for them.
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On 2009-04-13 05:04, Doug Higley wrote:
What a load of crap. These are Thugs and Scumbags. Hang 'em high.


Agreed. I like what the President did in this case. Kill 3 arrest the 4th and flip off the rest.

Well done.
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Aye. In this case, I fully support President Obama's actions. Too bad they couldn't "oops" kill the fourth one, too.

These modern-day pirates are enemies of humanity, and should be treated as such. They are mercenaries and extortionists, not caring a whit about the people they are affecting.

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Aye. In this case, I fully support President Obama's actions. Too bad they couldn't "oops" kill the fourth one, too.


When the "good guys" show less respect for life and for rule of law than the "bad guys" there are no good guys.

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These modern-day pirates are enemies of humanity, and should be treated as such. They are mercenaries and extortionists, not caring a whit about the people they are affecting.

Carrie


In this we agree. They are little different from the thugs and gangsters roaming our cities. Unfortunately, it's the easiest living they can find.

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John you bleedin' heart turkey spleen (without gravy)...punks that pick up a gun to threaten death to innocent unarmed people have CHOSEN their option. It comes with RESULTS. One RESULT really sucks if your THEM.



"Unfortunately, it's the easiest living they can find."

Things ain't 'easy' in a lot of places...but hey...Not a challenge...let's hijack a ship...uh...rob a 7-11...uh...mug some old granny...uh...trash a neighborhood...drop out of school...
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On 2009-04-12 20:43, landmark wrote:
Not saying I agree completely with this article, but it's an interesting alternative perspective, one I hadn't considered before. What do you think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-har......147.html

Here's a story from Fox:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514822,00.html

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Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old self-proclaimed pirate, told The Associated Press that the three pirates' deaths were "a painful experience." Speaking from the pirate hub, Eyl, he added: "this will be a good lesson for us."

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them," Habeb said. "Now they became our number one enemy," he said of U.S. forces.

So far, at least, it has been rare for Somali pirates to harm captive foreign crews.

Several years ago, a crew member of a Taiwanese fishing boat hijacked for six months was killed by pirates, but no reason was given but it appeared to be an isolated incident, according to Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. No reason was given but it appeared to be an isolated incident, he said.

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The piracy scourge appears to have evolved partly out of an attempt by Somali fishermen to protect their waters against illegal foreign trawlers who were destroying their livelihoods. Some of the vigilantes morphed into pirates, lured by the large profits they could win in ransoms.

Somalia's prime minister welcomed the U.S. Navy's operation Sunday.

"The Somali government wanted the drama to end in a peaceful way, but anyone who is involved in this latest case had the choice to use violence or other means," Abdulkhadir Walayo, the prime minister's spokesman, told The Associated Press. "Anyway, we see it will be a good lesson for the pirates or anyone else involved in this dirty business."
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On 2009-04-13 10:18, Doug Higley wrote:

"Unfortunately, it's the easiest living they can find."

Things ain't 'easy' in a lot of places...but hey...Not a challenge...let's hijack a ship...uh...rob a 7-11...uh...mug some old granny...uh...trash a neighborhood...drop out of school...


Don't confuse this with approval. It's easier than many alternatives, but it's still wrong.

And the recognition and respect for right and wrong is what separates the good guys from the bad guys.

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One more story of guns saving lives. The "pirates", thugs , or whatever you want to call them brought the actions upon themselves. If in the future the thugs must know that taking a ship will result in thier death, no mater if they just hi-jack the boat or kill the crew we MUST not give into thier demands as this will set a very bad policy.

If I were president and it was my father on the ship my reaction would be the same. I have said the same of the Iranian hostage crises in 1978.

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Seals. don't mess with em'. 3 shots, 3 kills, at night from a boat. ALthough I wish no one had to have lost their life. Obama made a good call.


IN Iran in 78, we did have an operation going, but weather stopped it before it got started.
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IN Iran in 78, we did have an operation going, but weather stopped it before it got started.



That was long after it should have been over, had I been in charge, that situation would have lasted only about 72 hours.

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What do you think is tougher - sitting in a boat with four Somali pirates who are holding AK47s to your head, or hearing snipers shooting three Somali pirates who are holding AK47s to your head? Smile

Kudos to the guy in the White House (I give credit where credit is due), and BRAVO to our Navy! Maybe we'll inspire the rest of the world!
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OK article. But a much better read is "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" by Hans Turley.
It's just one of the many books about how all pirates were gay except Blackbeard, who was a polygamist.
Not that theres anything wrong with either lifestyle.
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Yes, kudos to the US military for acting decisively and professionally in a dangerous situation. This could have turned out much worse.

Two points-
Carrie, the fourth pirate was 16 years old, and some accounts say that while he may have been sent to negotiate with the navy, he was also in poor medical health, surrendered, and did not want to return to the boat. Regardless of how scummy someone may be, once they surrender, you shouldn't summarily execute them. To do so would render moot any system of human justice.

To my knowledge, the Somalia pirates have not attacked any ship with an armed crew- they retreat if a warning shot is fired. My solution would be to allow armed guards on cargo ships in known pirate waters. Or armed escort ships, if international ports will not allow ships with armed crew members to dock.
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The Huffington Post -

when did we start considering bloggers as hard news?
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The Huffington Post -

when did we start considering bloggers as hard news?

It's a link to a reproduced article, my friend. The author is a journalist, not (at least not just) a blogger.

"Johann Hari has reported from Iraq, Israel/Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the US, and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world. The youngest person to be nominated for the Orwell Prize for political writing, in 2003 he won the Press Gazette Young Journalist of the Year Award"

The actual article appears in the newspaper The Independent, which I believe is a UK-based newspaper.

Here is the direct link to the story there, if you prefer that:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com......817.html
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