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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts 
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On 2009-04-14 16:48, daviaac wrote: Woah. Who said anything about a Disney "character." I'm not talking about story book characters. I'm talking about the people that live, eat, work, breath for Disney. Look at their Imaginears. Are they wrong for "plussing" it? My example in no way serves to illustrate your point. The fact is, Joel uses that card. Joel works regularly. Joel makes thousands upon thousands of dollars (per day) at a trade show. So it's a tall order to tell a guy who is a millionaire and using that business card - that the business card is wrong. Quote:
luke" I defer to Danny. Who has a Rolodex anymore? I store all my numbers in my cell. Most corporate professionals I know have Blackberries - have you seen what those can hold? Good lord. Quote:
luke: Sure. I understand that. But it's easy to say that when you're no a corporate marketing executive in the position to hire him. If roles were different, you'd have to decide whether or not you want this "ego mad" man to draw thousands of visitors to your trade show booth, or an alternate plan...like hiring a "magic Café professional" to handle your multi-million dollar marketing plan. To each their own? Quote:
please note as well that some millionaires inherit their fortune or make it without ever having to conduct themselves properly in front of other people, we magicians (this is a magic site) do. We magicians "do" what? Have to conduct ourselves properly to become millionaires? Criss Angel is as ego-maniacal as they come (at least on the outside). I don't see him hurting for work. Robert
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Nice...
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2393 Posts
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On 2009-04-14 14:00, daviaac wrote: That's right. You have to, "Hustle, Hustle!"
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Hustle Hustle... the number ONE Selling Business Book in Magic STILL to this day. That says something.
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts
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On 2009-04-14 18:27, TheDean wrote: And who wrote that book again? Quote:
On 2009-04-14 16:23, kenscott wrote: Why not? Mark Stevens did it. In fact he point blank told an executive that his marketing sucked. Ultimately got hired because of it.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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First... most are really missing the POINT of the intended content and obvious it’s presentation from the first video. As I said out of context and over edited.
I don’t particularly care if you “like” or don’t "like" Joel. The comment about his EGO was just out of place to the discussion is all. - Like I said, I have seen him do it! The rest of the discussion, (again) agree or disagree is just fine. And I have NO DOUBT that if Joel were to tell multi-billionaires and CEOs that IF there card was crap, he would tell them! THAT is what they PAY HIM HUUUUUGE Money to DO... just that! You have to KNOW how and why he does what he does to get it… sorry. – For HIM it WORKS and works incredibly well! I have made millions (Not a type-o or a misprint) from what Joel has shared with me over the years… again, I KNOW what he shares WORKS based on real-world, road-tested experience and Joel and I are two completely difference people and personality styles, but it SUCCESS still works of you work it! Just one tested, result guys experiance... Deano in Reno <><
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On 2009-04-14 13:44, Donald Dunphy wrote: Show me where I said this Donald. Oh and the reason YOU LISTED was "he is a millionaire and I am not." Sorry to have misinterpreted your words.
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daviaac Veteran user 351 Posts
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My example in no way serves to illustrate your point. Yes it did any you know it. Quote:
The fact is, Joel uses that card. Joel works regularly. Joel makes thousands upon thousands of dollars (per day) at a trade show. So it's a tall order to tell a guy who is a millionaire and using that business card - that the business card is wrong. He started it he told me mine was crap. Quote:
I defer to Danny. Who has a Rolodex anymore? I store all my numbers in my cell. Most corporate professionals I know have Blackberries - have you seen what those can hold? Good lord. Me too remember that this thread is about business cards if you wish to talk about your blackberry then I would suggest to stop showing off and open a seperate thread as that is not what this topic is about, I was simply adding thoughts to what somebody else had said about the rolodex as the role of a rolodex in my opinion was lost in the beginning of the thread. Quote:
Sure. I understand that. But it's easy to say that when you're no a corporate marketing executive in the position to hire him. If roles were different, you'd have to decide whether or not you want this "ego mad" man to draw thousands of visitors to your trade show booth, or an alternate plan...like hiring a "magic Café professional" to handle your multi-million dollar marketing plan. Why would I choose a magician clearly not qualified for the job, in this cut throat corporate world we live in there's always someone else that wants the job just as much as you, that's why I work hard at what I do. imagine a job interview all qualifications are fine but one candidate is egotistical whereas the other was polite and courtious who would you hire? Quote:
We magicians "do" what? Have to conduct ourselves properly to become millionaires? Not millionaires, you misunderstood me, we magicians deal with the public, sorry for the confusion. Cris angel has some of the best minds in magic behind him telling him what to do I agree his ego is bigger than he is but take Copperfield... he's better, richer, more famous and far less of an ego freak than he is. Who is more professional? Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A BUSINESS CARD is about getting BUSINESS RESULTS, Right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You just seemed a little to focused on the business card part of business that's why I said it and please don't patronize me it's rude
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daviaac Veteran user 351 Posts
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On 2009-04-14 18:12, Donald Dunphy wrote: weight can be considerably biased you can do this however I prefer to take a load of opinions about a product or idea and then form my own ideas about them, I find the natural tendancy to be biased is lessened this way. each to their own and no I don't think anyone should look at this thread not much good is coming out of it
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Welcome to the wonderful world of opinions. (hehehehe)
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you just seemed a little to focused on the business card part of business that's why I said it and please don't patronize me it's rude So NOW you are telling me what I meant or intended by my post? Ha! Wasn’t patronizing ANYONE, let alone you. Sorry bud. Heck, I don’t even KNOW you enough to do any such thing. How about just reading what I read as what I meant? That is always a good place to start instead of “assigning your own meaning” and then calling ME “rude”. Now THAT is RUDE! Like I said... no one has to agree or disagree, but there is no need to call out names and behave poorly is there? YIKES!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Dean, lots of that going on in this discussion.
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daviaac Veteran user 351 Posts
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For the record you cannot simply become a millionaire by just handing out "designed" business cards. Quote:
Hehehe… well of course not. Who said it was? How funny! This seems like a mocking comment that's why I thought you were rude and no there is no need for it
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Nope... not being rude. Just asking a legitimate question:
“WHO SAID anything about become a millionaire by just handing out "designed" business cards?” as you actually posted. That is what I said and what I mean... that's all, nothing more. No need to add to the conversation that doesn’t exist... This chat is already confusing enough. No need to get mean or name calling... answer don't answer, agree, don’t agree what-ever… fine. Just do it ON point and with-out adding some made-up meaning that didn’t exist, OK? Pretty easy really. Answer don’t answer… Agree, don’t agree what-ever is fine. Be well and much success! Dean <><
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts
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On 2009-04-14 19:56, daviaac wrote: You're right. When I mentioned the Walt Disney Corporation I was secretly referring to Mickey Mouse & pixie dust. Ya got me. Quote:
luke wrote: "He started it." Seriously? That's where this discussion is going? Quote:
luke pontificated: Now it's "stop showing off." Why the attitude? Talk about ego. Quote:
luke went on: Job interview? Do you submit an application to human resources to get your magic gigs? Quote:
luke concluded: Yes we magicians deal with the public. Some of us better than others I suppose. As for Copperfield and being "far less of an ego freak," well I'll just leave that one alone. Obviously this thread has taken a very confrontational turn and I'm sorry to see that. The point of Joel's video, at least the sound byte link that was listed, was that the typical plain jane business card just isn't going to cut it. Step up to the plate, get creative, outwit and outsmart your competition by creating a business card that absolutely grabs the clients attention and GETS THEM TO CALL YOU. That's it. Best, Robert
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Bravo! - Again, THANKS for the on-task post.
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daviaac Veteran user 351 Posts
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Hey I'm fed up with arguing this is my last post TheDean... sorry but I thought your post was mocking no more no less I did not call you any names just rude and I may have taken it the wrong way sorry for that.
RobertBloor stop reading into things that aren't there the job interview was hypothetical i.e. not real, that is why I used the term imagine. It's two in the morning here and I'm not arguing anymore and I'm making a point of not apolgiizing about anything I said especially to you as all you have done is rip apart what I'm saying and not accuratly. At the end of the day we're having an argument over a business card let's get into the real world and do some magic, I'll make my cards one way whilst you guys do it another, may be the international water makes a difference here in Wales we don't have many business cards given to us on a daily basis whereas I have heard that in certain parts of America that is not true??? Ok RobertBloor sorry for the showing off thing that was crossing the line, like I said perhaps a bit wound up and tired anyway goodnight luke
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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I agree... NOT arguing at all, just discussing. There is a difference bud.
Never was arguing nor are there any hard feelings, just trying to be clear. - Again, no biggy! Still wish you all the best of success! Dean <>< Nighty Night
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stempleton Inner circle 1443 Posts
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Guys, I viewed the video and I've followed the posts here. Motivational speakers are, by nature, what some may deem "cocky," "egotistical," "condensending," etc. Confidence is their stock in trade. Yes, that approach turns me off, but, as Donald says, that should not exclude any valid truths that these folks may offer.
Where this thread has led, however, seems to be the "give and take" that Café members volley to each other. I must say the sarcastic language and retorts do indeed lead to a definite, but possibly unintentioned, negative impression. Yes, we can agree to disagree, but some of the responses to Neale's comments, for example, were backhanded retorts. Civility in discussion is of primary importance, and any language which seems to degrade anyone's personal perspective, to me at least, is counterproductive to what I see is this forum's primary objective. IMHO. Love ya, mean it! |
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Tim Hannig Inner circle Chicago area 1149 Posts
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I want to learn from Jeff Dunham and Terry Fator.
They make millions and didn't have to give up their puppets.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts
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Hehehehehehe! - PERFECT Tim!
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