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Pauldela Special user U.K 882 Posts |
In your opinion, the best place to learn the 'best' bottom deal for most perposes.
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts |
The Art of Bottom Dealing by Gene Maze is very good.
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
The short answer is this: there is no single best source for everyone. The best way to learn the bottom deal is to take a look at as many different sources as possible. Some of these might include:
The Expert at the Card Table by S.W. Erdnase Expert Card Technique by Hugard and Braue The Artanis Bottom Deal (see book from lybrary.com) Gene Maze and the Art of Bottom Dealing by Stephen Hobbs Andre Luvisi has some great work on the bottom deal (ask around!) After you digest all of that, you have to make some decisions, based on your hand anatomy, personal preferences, etc. Rip or push-out? Which left hand grip? Are you going to perform this standing or seated? Then, spend a great deal of time on getting the correct action for the hand holding the deck during the deal. Learn how to do the move correctly, in slow motion. Use mirrors and video cameras to make sure that you've got it right. Then, over a period of time, bring the whole thing up to natural speed. Practice until your fingers start to bleed. Then, practice some more. That should do the trick.
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
I think it's best to know a few different bottoms with different grips. for magicians purposes, it means you don't have to fuss with your grip if someone else places the deck in your hand. I learned it first from Expert Card Techniques, and hated every minute of it because Hugard's descriptions leave something to be desired to my way of thinking.. Richard Turner has some very interesting things to say about it on his poker cheat expose DVD. The method he uses is similar to the one Gazzo clarified in Phantoms at the Card Table about the work in McGuire's Phantom of the Card Table. And of course you should learn the bottom dealing in Erdnase as well.
one thing that has always been very valuable for me: there are videos floating around of Charlie Miller doing funny deals into little packets in front of him, and they're amazing. but for my money the best way to practice is as if you're actually dealing hands. Set a bunch of stuffed animals or something around a table, pick one of them as your accomplice and then deal everybody cards and give the bottom cards to the accomplice. I got that tip from Phantoms and it has served me well. dealing hands and dealing packets are very different things, and dealing hands for me at least is far more difficult but also much more useful in how it can fit into effects. Another insight I gleaned from the Gazzo/Scott interviews was the importance of rhythm. Apparently Scott used to practice with a stop watch. I'm not sure why he did that because he was a musician and ought to have realized the value of the method I use to practice which is with a metronome. Also, do it while you're talking on the phone or watching TV. I may have said too much already, so I'll leave those to you to see the wisdom in them for yourself.
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2009-04-24 12:50, BarryFernelius wrote: BOOM!-- Right on the money. 100% correct! But you forgot what I consider one of the better sources: Marlo: Revolutionary Card Technique-- a variety of different Seconds and Bottoms, some of which can be done from the same grip. And if you ever saw him do this stuff, you would not be able to disagree! SEY |
BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
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On 2009-04-24 14:48, Steven Youell wrote Forgot? No. Omitted from my original post? Yes. And Steven's right; Revolutionary Card Technique is well worth your time, and Marlo had some monster chops.
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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