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joshido New user Norway 2 Posts |
Hi!
I have tried to learn the classic palm, but no matter how hard I try it won't look natural, or the coin won't stay in palm. please tell me if there is a good way to learn classic palm? sorry about my english... |
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Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
It's hard to explain all the specifics in writing. Best to get someone live to demonstrate. I'll IM you and try to explain.
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bhayankaran Regular user India 146 Posts |
Where did you try to learn it from?
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joshido New user Norway 2 Posts |
I tried to learn from this DVD
In the Beginning There Were Coins Starring Jay Noblezada |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Coinvanish.com
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Having taught sleight-of-hand formally for 20 years let me offer a way to look at this that should help. It may not seem so at first, but it will in the long run.
The learning curve for the basics of coin technique (see my Basics of Expert Coin Technique) is generally VERY, VERY steep. It takes a lot longer to learn to palm a coin well than it does to perform some good solid basic card work. That's because there are only a few VERY basic coin techniques from which everything else will reference. EXPECT........ to take a LOT of time at first getting your basic coin palming DOWN. Get set to take 6 months to a year or more I don't care how good your instruction to perfect your basic coin techniques. I consider the base techniques to be: Classic Palm in both hands and the ability to place the coin into the palm from the finger tips of either hand almost instantly. Finger Palm and the ability to move the coin from the Finger to Classic and back again. That's it. Nail those down and everything will move forward much easier and faster. Good luck,
Brad Burt
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
I don't know about joshido, but it encourages _me_ that maybe I'm not just incompetent! I remember years ago going to your store, Brad, and one of your people (as I remember, he was a large guy, moustache maybe, sandy brown hair) was trying to help me with palming. "Just put it your fingertips, close your hand and hold it. Walk down the street doing that." Fat hairy chance! I could only hold it in a tight starfish embrace, so I gave up.
Okay - so when things take a break in what I'm doing now, maybe I need to look at a good coin DVD and try this again - for a while. Ed |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Personally, it was David Roth's instruction on Expert Coin Magic Made Easy vol 1 that helped me get a decent CP.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
Expect it to take a long time. It's not instant. I've been classic palming for over a year now and its still not that great.
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Irfaan Kahan Veteran user 346 Posts |
When I first started, all I had was the books to reference. In the books it looked as if the coin was held flat against the palm. So for a long time I struggled to make my hand appear natural with this grip.
Then I got David Roth's DVD, and I realized that the coin was gripped AWAY from the palm (lack of detail here to limit exposure). What a pleasure! This grip only took a few days of concerted practice to get down. The illustrations in the books can be a little deceiving to the un-initiated.
I'm a Magician playing the part of an Actor
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cyberdog New user 51 Posts |
You must keep practicing...there is no other way..
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
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On 2009-05-06 09:22, cyberdog wrote: But it's best if you keep practicing the _right_ way to do it. Practice does NOT make perfect - it makes CONSISTENT. Whatever you practice - right or wrong - is what you'll do. Ed |
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts |
I spent well over 6 months learning to classic palm coins correctly and with almost 100% repeatability. It will eventually come to you if you spend the time needed.
Always have a couple of coins (half-dollars is what I use) in your pockets. You can practice while you watch TV or during a passive commute, if your not driving. I practice everywhere I can, even when I have to wait in a doctor's office. One day the CP just came. I was grinning so large the day it all came together, I almost broke my mouth! My next goal is to learn to do that with silver dollars. I'm getting closer, but still not there. dsalley13 |
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JIMclubber64 Loyal user 269 Posts |
For me, I technically never "learned" how to classic palm a coin. The second coin slight I ever learned (the first being the french drop) was the muscle pass, which really helped me, IMO, with my classic palm. So for me, all I have to do is get my coin into muscle pass position (which is quite easy for me now, thanks to my local magic shop), and I'm ready to go. Of course, I can't really palm with anytime less than a quater, but hey.
"Magic should always have a purpose. [...] Find your purpose for performing. Only then will you be able to find the right trick!" -- Jay Noblezada
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bhayankaran Regular user India 146 Posts |
In the Beginning There Were Coins Starring Jay Noblezada is a nice dvd too in my opinion. Take your time and keep practicing. You definetely will end up with a descent classic palm. Just be patient.
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wingz Regular user 155 Posts |
When you first learn classic plam. Do you find it easlier to start from a smaller coin (e.g. Quarters) and slowly move up to larger coin (e.g. half-dollar) or vise versa?
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1908 Posts |
I have never seen anyone have a classic palm that I could not detect. Even Al Goshman. There will always be a difference. Don't sweat it if it is not exactly like an unencumbered hand.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
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CamisBoss Regular user 128 Posts |
I completely agree with JIMclubber64. When I began learning the muscle pass, my classic pass improved exponentially. But in order to learn the muscle pass, you must have at least a notion of a classic palm. So keep working with the classic palm. It takes quite a while to learn, but it's worth it!
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bhayankaran Regular user India 146 Posts |
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On 2009-05-11 16:28, wingz wrote: I started with the US quater which is the coin I can do the best CP. Then I also practice using the coins of my country which are of different sizes. US quarter gave a better grip on the edges than the other ones which I find helpfull in starting to learn classic palm |
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Buckskinner38 New user 3 Posts |
Hi Folks... Just another newbie with a question regarding the Classic Palm, Finger Palm and Thumb Palm... I'm suffering from Dry Hands. (Perils of a gardener) I tend to loose my grip in the relax stand or I can relax too much and loose the coin in CP. I notice when my hands are slightly moist I seem to have better control at manipulating the coin. Does the condition of the hands have any relevance to how well the trick is pulled off or does it really matter and I should just work with it?
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