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How many of you have ever been to a Shakespeare play? Read one?
Now, how many have read Plato's Republic?
Now, how many of you have seen "Dude, Where's my Car?"
Do you already understand what I am getting at?
Look at Mercutio's speeches in shakespeare. The wordplay of Hamlet.
Look at the verbal puzzles laid out in the Republic.
People used to use words to paint incredible images. They indulged in games of puns, double meanings, double entendres, tried to trip each other up with words, dig?
Nowadays we have to have two multi-purpose words to make up 90% of our dialogue, "Dude," and "F". I don't know if it's the fast pace of our society, or sheer laziness.
All I can say is: "F, Dude."
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I must have missed the boat with the bard.. I like your sig. anybody want a peanut?
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How many people today have said the word
uhmunuh? (uh-muh-nuh)

No it is not a real word
Yes, people say it all the time.
I made an effort years ago to stop saying it.
My wife uses it a lot.
I am sorry to hear my daughter say it to.
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How ironic is it that you ended one sentence with a preposition, have a fragmented sentence, didn't capitalize Shakespeare and put a comma after society?...LOL

However...yes I see what you are saying every single day and texting while extremely useful, unfortunately creates bad vocabulary habits.

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On 2009-05-06 15:17, critter wrote:
How many of you have ever been to a Shakespeare play? Read one?
Now, how many have read Plato's Republic?
Now, how many of you have seen "Dude, Where's my Car?"
Do you already understand what I am getting at?
Look at Mercutio's speeches in shakespeare. The wordplay of Hamlet.
Look at the verbal puzzles laid out in the Republic.
People used to use words to paint incredible images. They indulged in games of puns, double meanings, double entendres, tried to trip each other up with words, dig?
Nowadays we have to have two multi-purpose words to make up 90% of our dialogue, "Dude," and "F". I don't know if it's the fast pace of our society, or sheer laziness.
All I can say is: "F, Dude."

I have seen almost all of Shakespeare's plays done live. Performed in more than a handful and directed as well.
I have read everything written by Shakespeare (That was published anyway)
Most of it more than once.
I spent a full year just studying Hamlet.
I've even done some pre-Shakespeare plays (The Revengers Tragedy (Alternately known as the Tragedy of Blood)is amazing but the language is even more difficult)
I have not read Plato's republic, but have read Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey. For a while I even had most of Beowulf memorized.
I spend more time in museums of art, science and history than at the movies.
I have not managed to sit through Dude, Where's my Car? even once.
I don't use the F word because I find it lacks finesse. I use the word Dude only when the comic timing seems right.
And I am a sideshow performer.
I like the smart stuff.
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Even people in Shakespeare's day didn't speak as flowery as the bard's characters did onstage.

It would be like wanting everyone in real life today to talk as if they were in a David Mammet play.
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Payne beat me to it but to me it is like asking people why they don't break out in song and dance like in West Side Story in 200 years.

What a crazy concept.

While the plays were amazing and he was a fantastic writer, they were a mere snapshot of the time. One place on the planet! Come on are we to be frozen in that time period and all judged by it? Please god no.

Do you think everyone walked about talking in that fashion?

This sort of thinking is why everyone at a Ren fair speaks with an English accent!
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On 2009-05-06 15:54, Cliffg37 wrote:
How many people today have said the word
uhmunuh? (uh-muh-nuh)

No it is not a real word
Yes, people say it all the time.
I made an effort years ago to stop saying it.
My wife uses it a lot.
I am sorry to hear my daughter say it to.


Similar: "Ahmo" (pronounced ah-mo) Usually denotes a stronger emotion, where as "Uhmunuh open a can of whoopa$$ on you, becomes, "Ahmo kick yo butt!"

Also heard: "Gibm", as in, "Gibm a nice round of applause." (Obvious derivative of "gimmee".)

Famous here in the south: "ustacould" (pronounced us-ta-could), as in, "I can't party so much anymore, but I ustacould."

Like, um, yeah, cool...
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I actually saw a documentary on this topic. It was basically stating that slang, ebonics etc ARE proper forms of English, just different variations of the language.

It was also saying that those who chastise other people dialects or forms of talking are actually hypocrites, because if you really want to get down to it, if you spoke "proper" English, you'd be British. And even that is NOT true since the British people have hundreds of different dialects.

So basically there is no proper way of speaking and the languages aren't "decaying", they are just evolving with the times.
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We are way beyond 1984, but I think Newspeak is creeping in more each year.

We use fewer and fewer words, each carrying a greater load of communication, hence greater possibility of misunderstanding.

Eventually, one word will mean everything, and communication will be at a standstill. It's a government plot...
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On 2009-05-06 17:09, Michael Baker wrote:
Quote:
On 2009-05-06 15:54, Cliffg37 wrote:
How many people today have said the word
uhmunuh? (uh-muh-nuh)

No it is not a real word
Yes, people say it all the time.
I made an effort years ago to stop saying it.
My wife uses it a lot.
I am sorry to hear my daughter say it to.


Similar: "Ahmo" (pronounced ah-mo) Usually denotes a stronger emotion, where as "Uhmunuh open a can of whoopa$$ on you, becomes, "Ahmo kick yo butt!"

Also heard: "Gibm", as in, "Gibm a nice round of applause." (Obvious derivative of "gimmee".)

Famous here in the south: "ustacould" (pronounced us-ta-could), as in, "I can't party so much anymore, but I ustacould."

Like, um, yeah, cool...



Or "let's gweet" for "let's go eat."

But yes, I agree the American vocabulary is in a deplorable state. But perhaps I can alleviate that a bit with my new web site.

It's my small contribution, lilliputian, perhaps in the whole grand scheme of things, but at least I'm taking a pro-active stance.
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That's because I also like Mark Twain Smile

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On 2009-05-06 16:29, Living Illusions wrote:
How ironic is it that you ended one sentence with a preposition, have a fragmented sentence, didn't capitalize Shakespeare and put a comma after society?...LOL

However...yes I see what you are saying every single day and texting while extremely useful, unfortunately creates bad vocabulary habits.

Kevin




Now, this isn't to say that the F word and even "Dude" can't be used creatively.
George Carlin was the master of brilliant cussing.
What set me off on my little tantrum was that I was down by the trails behind my school yesterday and these dudes from my class were smoking left handed cigarettes while they were studying Algebra. This was kind of an interesting experiment in itself. But then they had the F word every other word, "Dude, you gotta' f'n factor the f'n polynomial!" At this point it was still funny.
When it got to me was that today they were using the same language behind me in class. Every time my teacher would say something they would say "F this B! I don't know what the F she's saying!"
Ticked me off. Anyway, when I get mad I get introspective. Then I rant.
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In the course of a conversation with my wife last night she said, "heretofore".

How sad that too few people these days would even know that it's a word, fewer still would know what it means, and fewer still would have it as part of their active vocabulary.
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On 2009-05-06 18:29, S2000magician wrote:
In the course of a conversation with my wife last night she said, "heretofore".



Was this the question you asked her, "How long will you be staying at your friend's house?" Smile

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Thanks for the tip! I'll include that one as a word of the day on my site! (Would you like a credited mention?)
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I do not like the works of Shakespeare.
I was out of school before I found out he had written comedic material.
School teachers can kill a love of flowery writing.
I like Charles Dickens works now, took two decades to get there.
I love slang, euphemisms and any unique twist of a word that makes some banter a delight.
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