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On 2009-05-06 18:38, Greg Arce wrote:
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On 2009-05-06 18:29, S2000magician wrote:
In the course of a conversation with my wife last night she said, "heretofore".



Was this the question you asked her, "How long will you be staying at your friend's house?" Smile

Greg


It was actually, "How long have you been staying at your friend's house?"
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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We're a far more visually oriented society than anything conceivable back when Shakespeare was writing his pleasant afternoon diversions.
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Critter, what is a left handed cigarette??
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On 2009-05-06 21:24, kcg5 wrote:
Critter, what is a left handed cigarette??


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On 2009-05-06 17:37, daffydoug wrote:
Or "let's gweet" for "let's go eat."


You use two words for "squeet"? People used to use THREE words?!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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The English language of today is in ferment, as it was in the Elizabethan era. The word play, puns, internal rhyming and rhythm of today's best slam poetry are quite wonderful.

There were a lot of crummy writers in Shakespeare's day too.
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Thanks Michael, ive never heard that.
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I ate Shakespeare, so some of him is in me.

But I've been playing around with Plato since I was a boy.

Still, I can't think of a single pun in the Republic. Verbal puzzles? Not sure about that either. I'm sure they're all there, but my Greek is just too weak. It takes me about an hour to read a single page. I can't really call it reading, actually. It's more like "deciphering".

So either Critter's Greek is MUCH better than mine, or he's been smoking some of those left-handed cigarettes.

And Jonathan, there is indeed a lot of afternoon delight in A Midsummer Night's Dream.

(And if I sound defensive, it's because I have an incredibly foul mouth, as those who know me from other forums can confirm. That side of me just doesn't get fully expressed here at the Café, for some reason.)
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Oh what a joy this is:

Yes, I have been to several Shakespeare plays. Have read several as well.

I have read Plato's Republic.

And I have NOT seen "Dude, where's my car?"

(But I have seen a ton of films just as intellectually challenging as "Dude" and enjoyed many of them so that proves nothing)
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I don't even know what "Dude, where's my car?" is.

Does that make me illiterate?
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I think there are at least two interesting but separable questions here.

1. Is contemporary English in a state of decay, however this is defined?
2. Are contemporary English speakers aware of or do they value their intellectual inheritance?

And these questions, however they are answered, can be followed with

3. Does it matter?

And these are great questions.

John
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Does it matter John, and to whom?
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Sure, I'll take that sub-sub-question.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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"The short words are best, and the old words are the best of all." -Winston Churchill
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Dilettante is my favorite word, in its negative connotation. It just rolls of the tongue.
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The Norman invasion gave us some wonderful words. It's great to speak a language where you can use the short, old Anglon-Saxon words for conversation and swearing, then break out the fancy French terms to appear elegant and well-educated.
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The kind they smoke in Amsterdam. A joint. Truthfully, I think they were using a pipe. I just like the term. My first Bio teacher used it all the time.

I have another quandary, how about the clever use of slang?
I believe it exists. I enjoy Southern expressions like "Sweatin' like a *** in church."
I also believe that Urban street slang is often used quite brilliantly in the more flowing styles of hip hop.
Now, Eminem might not talk real good English like what I does, but I think he's got a good verbal style.
As far as Shakespearian writings, I was using it as an idealised example. I know people didn't talk exactly like that but they still done talked better than what we does now. They ain't had no TV to kill theys attention spans with.


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Critter, what is a left handed cigarette??
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That would make sense if it had anything to do with what I am talking about. I am not talking about slang versus proper, I am talking about lazy versus eloquent.
Entirely different.
I like slang.

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On 2009-05-06 17:12, Poveglia wrote:
I actually saw a documentary on this topic. It was basically stating that slang, ebonics etc ARE proper forms of English, just different variations of the language.

It was also saying that those who chastise other people dialects or forms of talking are actually hypocrites, because if you really want to get down to it, if you spoke "proper" English, you'd be British. And even that is NOT true since the British people have hundreds of different dialects.

So basically there is no proper way of speaking and the languages aren't "decaying", they are just evolving with the times.
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Language is a malleable and living thing which is constantly in flux and evolving. Shakespeare would not comprehend English as it is spoken today. It does not necessarily decay but continually change.
I love people who constantly seek to apply the rules set forth for the "King's" English to its American counterpart.
The goal of language is to communicate. If you comprehend what is being spoken, then language has accomplished its purpose.
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Critter, I don't want to push the point, but I'm still waiting for your list of puns and verbal puzzles in Plato's Republic.
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