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Alan: I am not sure I get what you mean. Are you saying that the end of your illusion routine, the audience still sees a board under the person when the chair is removed?

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Kyle,

In the Abbott's Chair Suspension, there one visible board and it is never removed from under the spectator - there's also no need for a cloth to wrap up the spectator. It's not like the Sommers or MAK models where a board is removed from under the spectator, after they're suspended.
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Aww ok. Now I recall what you are talking about. It is a good illusion but I personally never liked the fact that a board was always stll avisible to the audience. It still works, but becomes more of a balancing act to the audience and never felt like a greater illusion to me. I preferred it to really look like the helper was being suspended from the chair by thwe power of their neck and a little bit of magic and imagination. Now this is just me personally. I just always felt the removal of any board just really helps sell the illusion for an audience. It really does come down to what works best for you though. Thanks Alan for clearing that up for me.

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I have used all three suspensions. No doubt Bill Smith's is the greatest. I borrowed one for a while after seeing Penn and Teller use it. I hated to give it up. The European is definitely the second best. You can hold an adult assistant (assuming she is of average weight-no heavies like me). It is made much better than the Mak. Some of the Mak boards have a tendency to drop a little if the person is not exactly balanced!

Great suggestion by Magic4u02. Never did it. Just borrowed a neighborhood teenager and tried it. He's right! It DOES look more realistic and the neighbor said that it was not uncomfortable. Thanks for the tip.
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You are most welcome. My pleasure.

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So...which versions allow you to remove the board and which don't?

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The Harbin suspension is the desogn that all removable board versions buit from.
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They all move the board.
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I am going to order a european chair suspention from hocus pocus. It looks like its what I need. I can levitate a kid or adult and I really like the look of the whole thing.

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I have one from PARIS MAGIC ; really strong and safe.
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The European version is not bad at all and yes you can use an adult with it. However, keep in mind it is still not as stong or stable as a Bill Smith Model. With this or any model, safety is still a number one priority as is checking all connections and knwoing how to properly place a helper onto it. Do not allow yourself to feel too relaxed just because you have a model version you feel is much stronger. No matter which you have, there are still rules and procedures you will want to learn, master and utilize at every performance.

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PARIS MAGIC version : Strong and stable. Safe with adult from audiance member. I bought it 800 euros , 6 or 7 years ago
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I just got my european chair suspension today and I already love it, its sturdy, nice looking.

now all I need to do is purchase kyle peron's e-book.

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Mike: Congrats on your purchase. I know you will love performing this illusion. If I can be of any help to you at all, please just let me know. I would be happy to assist as you begin to work and rehearse with it.

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Hey kyle,

thanks a bundle! I have had so many people tell me right away to get your e-book as you are the master at the chair suspension! great to know I can go to you for help!

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Thanks Mike. I guess I have a lot of people to thank for their referral. That means a lot. =) Please let me know how I can be of help.

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On 2009-05-18 09:55, Kevinr wrote:
They all move the board.

The boards are not removed on all of them. Abbott's board is non-removable.
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On 2009-05-09 08:26, magic4u02 wrote:
Hi all,

Great question and one in which many performers are confused about when looking into this illusion. llow me to describe and explain the models and types that are oput there in hopes it may be of benefit to you. My pleasure.

Louis is correct. The first thing you must realize is not whcih model is the best but what you plan on using the chair suspension for. Each model type is built for a very different purpose. All of them work well but they work well based on a specific need.

The main question to ask is if you plan on using it with a child (as in a birthday party or family show situation) or do you want to use an adult? The answer to this question will direct your path to which one is best suited for your needs.

Models:
1) mak magic and sommers: These models are good and are about the same. The difference is that the mak model uses a more metal folding chair where as the sommers model chairs have the heavy plastic back and seat. They both sell for around $450 US. The main point about these models is that they are intended for use of a child only. You would never want to use this model fopr an adult. If yoour goal is to add this into a kid's show, then this model is all you would ever really need. I own a sommers currently and have had it for years. It will serve you well.

2) Bill Smith model: This model is mainly used for adults. if you want to be able to use an adult or adult assistant, then this model is the correct way to go. It is heavy construction and ways a lot more so take that into consideration. This model is also the most exspensive model chair suspension out there. if using it for adults, then this is ideal and is also ideal for larger style shows.

3) European model: this model is relatively new to the chair suspension models. it is a sort of middle of the road model between a mak or sommers and a Bill Smith. It can hold an adult if you need it to and should do a good job for you. It also does not cost as much as a Bill Smith version. I still would not use an audlt all the time on this model. However, if youwant to use an adult or adult asisstant, this can handle it.

I hope this helps. I can go into a lot more detials on this and any other question you may have. it would be my pleasure to do so for you. Just simply ask.

Kyle

Let's not forget about Chair Suspension Professional. It is a strong and sturdy chair suspension required for adults and teenagers. The chairs have a lawn chair design to make the chairs look lighter. Instead of pulling the chair away first, the board is pulled away first. The chair is pulled away last.

The photo shows how it looks after the board is removed:

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The next photo shows how it looks after the chair is removed:

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There is a seviere bend downwards that doesn't happen in the bill smith version and the positioning is not correct .
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