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Ice McDonald has a special dove holder that will fit inside of an ordinary dove holder/vest. It is called a Dove Retainer. It looks similar to a dove harness. It has plastic inside so the dove will appear easily, quick and smooth when using an Invisible Dove Harness. I will be able to relax about not breaking the monofilament line. The retainer stays inside of the dove pocket/holder when producing the dove, I think by velcro. Any comments?

I remember Dave Scribner talking about a method of using plastic inside of the dove vest pockets a year or so ago.
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In Tony Clarks Behind the seems he talks about something similar to what you're talking about using lighting gels or shipping tape. He said he actually had to readjust his moves slightly because of how slick it made the steals. You could take a look into that. I've used shipping tape and it works for me.
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Thanks, Alexo. I also have all of Tony Clarks' DVDs. I tried using the tape before, but it comes lose, especially after washing.
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Mike, go to the office supply store and buy "sheet protectors" These are plastic covers for documents. You cut a sheet down to size and slip it into your pocket. You make it as long as your pocket and wide enough to fit half way up one side, across the bottom and half way up the other side. Normally it will not come out however, if you find that it does in rehearsal, just put a little tape along each side edge to hold it. You will have to remove the plastic when you wash the vest.

The only down side to this is it will make the pocket so slippery, the dove will fall with very little tilting. Using a pocket you can compensate by changing the angle but with a vest, the pockets are fixed in place. You have to learn to be careful with your movements.
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Thank you my friend.
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The retainer keeps the dove from moving around in a regular pocket when using a IH. It is basically a modified holder that keeps the dove and line in place for IH steals. It's lined with a slick material to make the production easier but is not the same as lining a regular dove pocket.
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Most importantly. You could Preload the doves in the Dove Retainer and just before show time you can load the Dove Retainers in your dove pockets.

It really helps when the emcee tells you, "your on in a minute"

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I just ordered two of them.
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I received both of my Dove Retainers last week. I loaded the dove to see how it looks. It looked too bulky. Either my bird must lose some weight or me. Smile

I thought about the way Dave mentioned above. In my mind I compared both methods. I will credit Dave's method for looking less bulkier. I credit both for loading easy. I credit the Dove Retainer for keeping the dove from getting loose too easy. I think I like Dave's way better, but I will try the Dove Retainer first so I will not be wasting my money.

Dave, I thought about something that will enhance your method. Have velcro tabs sewn inside the pocket. Tape velcro on the sheet protectors. That way the sheet protectors will be easy to remove encase a holder is needed in the pocket, and easy to remove for washing the vest.
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Mike, that will work. I don't use the plastic insert method but it's a good idea for those that do. If you get the velcro tabs that are sticky backed, you won't have to sewn them to sheet protectors.
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I saw a dove being loaded with a cardboard-like sheet, and then the sheet was removed. It's purpose was to make the loading process easier and to prevent damage/roughing the doves feathers. Is this called a dove loader? It seems the dove retainer would serve the same purpose, plus it would also help prevent the dove's nails from getting caught in the pocket.

Do some of you dove workers use an IH without the retainer, or with nothing to help with the nail problem? Can the nails be trimmed so it is not a problem, or can the nails get caught in the satin regardless of how well trimmed they are?

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General Grant mentions sanding/buffing the dove's nails so they will not be as pointy. Tony Clark mentions placing some type of duct tape inside the holder where the dove's nails lay.
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I have been gluing med grit sand paper on the perches. So I never have to trim or file their nails. I have been doing this for 18 years! Love it.
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What size perch you use, Andy?
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Mike, a good rule of thumb is to have the perch larger enough in diameter so the nails don't touch when they grasp it and not so large that the feet can't close in a grip.

This contradicts the cold weather perch I have talked about before. In cold weather, dove settle down over their feet. I use a flat perch so they have to lay their feet out flat and then sit on them. Keeps the claws nice and warm.

Andy's suggestion of using sandpaper on the perches is a great way to keep the nails trimmed. If you don't use that, just a few strokes with an emery board across the tip does the trick. You just want to remove the sharp point. The nails can be trimmed however you must be careful not to cut into the blood line.
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