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nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
I have 3 effects that involve the Elmsley/Ghost count. NFW, Twisted Sisters, and one called Elmsley's 4 card trick. I have mentioned I have been practicing this count everywhere I go for the last few months. Since I feel very comfortable doing it now with TOTAL confidence, I am interested in many other effects that involve this type of count. Does anyone have any personal favorites they can recommend to me? I'm sure there are many things you can do with this.
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
Pick up Aldo Columbini's Packet Trick Picks DVD. It's under $10 and has ten great tricks and a lot of Elmsley Counts. My favorite from this DVD is Trifle...great effect and easy to do once you've mastered the Elmsley.
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AlienSpaceBat Regular user 152 Posts |
If you like Bannon's Twisted Sisters, have you tried Royal Scam ? I find its double kicker ending REALLY kills.
One thing I have noticed though. If I do more than one packet trick, because so many use the Elmsley Count, there is a real danger of tipping the method. The count looks OK, but not the most natural and fair thing to do for a demo of the cards you hold - that would be something like a fan of all the cards in the hand - if you start to do it too much it becomes more and more obvious that what purports to be a display is actually one of the points where 'something is happening'. As a result I have stopped doing back to back tricks that use the EC. As always YMMV ! |
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Mustang Veteran user London, England 316 Posts |
Twisting the Aces by Dai Vernon is a classic.
On the Aldo Colombini point above - pick up Fly Cards - love it.
"A magician is one who appreciates the difference between knowing how a trick is done, and knowing how to do a trick."
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
Jumping Gemini, from Darwin Ortiz.
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Stanyon Inner circle Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago 3433 Posts |
Peter Kane's "Jazz Aces". (And everyones variant!)
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor "Every move a move!" "If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!" |
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Mustang Veteran user London, England 316 Posts |
Oh, and bleached by Peter Duffie - that's awesome too.
"A magician is one who appreciates the difference between knowing how a trick is done, and knowing how to do a trick."
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chronica Loyal user France 94 Vitry s/s 246 Posts |
B'wave.
You can also use the Elmsley count in some macdonald's aces versions. |
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J.Robert Loyal user Gettysburg, PA 240 Posts |
Any of the packet effects that John Bannon has recently put out. Someone mentioned Royal Scam above, which has become one of my favorites. His other two--Duplicity and Spin Doctor are also great, and also use the Elmsley.
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MagikDavid Loyal user Cincinnati, OH 297 Posts |
Queens Out of Control - Gerry Griffin
One good thing about being wrong...
Is the pleasure it brings to others. |
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Bande Elite user 430 Posts |
I find a 4 card Elmsley very easy to do and love the way John Bannon teaches it on Royal Scam. However, and I know this may sound goofy, but I have real trouble doing it with 7 cards. On the DVD he shows the 4 version, and assumes doing it with 7 is obvious -- but alas not to me. Any thoughts/hints would be appreciated. If inappropriate here, feel free to either PM me or put in Secret Sessions.
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AlienSpaceBat Regular user 152 Posts |
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On 2009-05-14 00:58, Bande wrote: - the count of 4 as 7 is a Hamman count. The EC and then OPEC counts have 5 cards not 7 ... |
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nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
In one of Sankey's dvd's, he states that you should count the cards kind of "down" as opposed to "across". I see some people who- (if they are right handed)- count the cards by kind of wrapping their pointy finger across the top of the card as they pull it across. I do this sometimes and it looks like I'm hiding the cards instead of showing it openly. I just take it with my finger tips. It's strange because after tons of practice it seems like (when I'm doing NFW) the 3 cards kind of just naturally go across as one now, as when I first started practicing this I was pushing like crazy to try to get the three to go as one. Is there any effects that involve MORE than pushing three cards as one?
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nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
I never had the instructions to NFW so I never read how it's actually presented. When I get to the part where I "visually" flip over the joker, I state to the spectator "boy, that's not very magical, is it?" and when they say "no", I then say, "oh well, I guess I'll have to find something else to do with these four Aces". I found that works very well.
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nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
Was just checking old threads on NFW and I don't understand something. Some people said they are not comfortable with the false display of the four jokers, and don't even display them. I don't understand how the effect works if you don't display them because how will the spectator know thay changed to the 4 aces? I start the trick by saying I have 4 jokers, 3 face up and one face down, do the count, then one turns over, etc.
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
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On 2009-05-14 05:50, AlienSpaceBat wrote: The Elmsley count can be used to count any amount of cards as four. The "Out Of Position Elmsley Count" (OPEC) can be done with 4 cards also... Hey Bande I PM'd you BTW... Cardamagically, Dom
We don't stop playing when we grow old...we grow old when we stop playing.
God is enough, let go, let God. Gal 2:20 "Anything of value is not easily attained and those things which are easily attained are not of lasting value." |
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JustLoco Regular user Los Angeles, Ca 111 Posts |
Is there a book or DVD dealing only with counts and utilities that might help me understand more, or do I have to buy each trick and learn the counts that way?
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AlienSpaceBat Regular user 152 Posts |
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On 2009-05-14 09:04, DomKabala wrote: I was referring to the counts specifically needed in Royal Scam. It is a Hamman count apparently showing 7, an Elmsley of 5 as 4 and several OPEC of 5 as 4 then one of 4 as 4. Really I was making the point that there isn't an EC of 7 as 4 required in the trick. |
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
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On 2009-05-14 23:36, AlienSpaceBat wrote: Quote:
On 2009-05-14 17:22, JustLoco wrote: Understood Alien... Hey Loco, there are 2 good references: "Counthesaurus" by J. Racherbaumer and "Counts, Cuts, Moves & Subtlety" by J. Mentzer. Cardamagically, Dom
We don't stop playing when we grow old...we grow old when we stop playing.
God is enough, let go, let God. Gal 2:20 "Anything of value is not easily attained and those things which are easily attained are not of lasting value." |
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JustLoco Regular user Los Angeles, Ca 111 Posts |
Dom, I just ordered "counts, cuts, moves, & Subtlety" thanks for the suggestion.
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