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There are lots of threads containing snippets of debates on this subject so I thought it would be good to make a thread specifically for this question to avoid ruining other threads.

All opinions and beliefs welcome!
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Nah. It's all in your mind.
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Yes and no.
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Yes & no for sure but it can also be all in your mind
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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From my understanding, the spectator convinces themselves of a "trance" state.
Fairy Tales are more than true; not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. --G.K Chesterton
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In a stage hypnosis show, it really doesn't matter. Ulitmatly, the question for the audience is "I paid, $40 for this ticket, did I have a good time, laugh, and enjoy myself....?"
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I'm not so sure Richard. If the audience really believed that hypnosis didn't exist they wouldn't buy tickets. They want to be entertained for sure. But they want real hypnosis.

Much like no ne wants to pay to see a fake mind reader.
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I feel this thread is way too long already...
... unless we actually should close the 'you are getting sleepy' room and have a: 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' room. But then someone might spoil it all by asking: "is there such a thing as fairies at the bottom of the garden?"
But then we'd be forced to answer: 'yes & no' and 'it's all in the mind' and.... well read the above.
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I agree Bobser DELETE this I am back on track
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On 2009-05-17 17:57, mindpunisher wrote:
I'm not so sure Richard. If the audience really believed that hypnosis didn't exist they wouldn't buy tickets. They want to be entertained for sure. But they want real hypnosis.

Much like no ne wants to pay to see a fake mind reader.


Excellent point. Come on back over to the Penny thread MP.

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Actually, I don't know if anyone has read the FAQ in the hypnosis section, but in theory this thread should not exist, as it is one of the topics to be excluded from discussion.... http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=22&0

In reality on stage, some are never hypnotized and don't follow suggestions, these folks are dismissed. Others are in a light level of trance, and may or may not be entertaining, and/or respond to suggestions, others are in a mid-level and yet hopefully 1-3 are in a deep trance (and hopefully funny too). And all of these folks don;t stay in the same level of trance through a show, at times going depper, and at other times re-emerging, and the group willl have people doing this at varied levels and times from other group members...

I think many people make a mistake early on in believing that alll members of the comittee go into the same level of trance and the beginning of the show and stay there to the end of the show. Reality of far different with many levels and degrees or trance, suggestibility, and compliance, all varied amonth the participants in any single show....

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Trance itself is an unstable state. Even the best subjects move up and down the scale during a performance.
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On 2009-05-18 04:06, mindpunisher wrote:
Trance itself is an unstable state. Even the best subjects move up and down the scale during a performance.


And during hypnotherapy, too. A good hypnotherapist will be aware of this and give suggestions in a style appropriate to the depth of the state.
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But we have already been told that hypnosis does not exist.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=22&54
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On 2009-05-18 01:30, Nongard1 wrote:
Actually, I don't know if anyone has read the FAQ in the hypnosis section, but in theory this thread should not exist, as it is one of the topics to be excluded from discussion.... http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=22&0



Your right Richard, I have read that but my memory is not all that. I agree its not helpful of me. Apologies
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On 2009-05-18 13:29, MagicJono wrote:
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On 2009-05-18 01:30, Nongard1 wrote:
Actually, I don't know if anyone has read the FAQ in the hypnosis section, but in theory this thread should not exist, as it is one of the topics to be excluded from discussion.... http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=22&0




Your right Richard, I have read that but my memory is not all that. I agree its not helpful of me. Apologies



Yes but more than half the forum shouldn't be here either if you read those rules.
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And I don't mind the discussion actually, it seems to have been a bigger issue when the forum was young, and I think can now weather such a discussion in a way it couldn't at the beginning....
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Indeed, I agree with Richard... As long as self-righteous bozos don't try to tell me what I have to believe. I think it is quite legitimate and perhaps even important to have this discussion. For example, if someone is a really good actor and really pretends to be hypnotized and goes along with all of your suggestions, even though you may know that he is not hypnotized, should you keep him up as an entertainer?

In fact, if someone really pretends to be hypnotized, is there a difference between pretending really well and being hypnotized? I mean sure, the person isn't hypnotized, but what if you get the same results?

And there is the wonderful induction that uses pretending where you have the person pretend to feel, breath, think, relax, etc., and then eventually "pretend that you're not pretending and allow yourself to go deeper and deeper" etc...
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Many boundaries have been dissolved as the forum has progressed. Or perhaps regressed?

Can only be a good thing.
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On 2009-05-18 18:10, dmkraig wrote:
Indeed, I agree with Richard... As long as self-righteous bozos don't try to tell me what I have to believe. I think it is quite legitimate and perhaps even important to have this discussion. For example, if someone is a really good actor and really pretends to be hypnotized and goes along with all of your suggestions, even though you may know that he is not hypnotized, should you keep him up as an entertainer?

In fact, if someone really pretends to be hypnotized, is there a difference between pretending really well and being hypnotized? I mean sure, the person isn't hypnotized, but what if you get the same results?

And there is the wonderful induction that uses pretending where you have the person pretend to feel, breath, think, relax, etc., and then eventually "pretend that you're not pretending and allow yourself to go deeper and deeper" etc...


Pretending is actually an induction in many cases. Since the trance state is unstable its likely that some people go in and out of trance which could be seen as pretending.

However someone who is really pretending is obvious I would always get rid of them as soon as they are detected.
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