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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts 
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While you guys see me on here as a lowly amateur, I'm actually a technology writer elsewhere online (the paid kind) and I've had a little bit of formal education when it comes to information theory. This thread is a little funny actually because the topic of several lectures I've attended was "Why Information is a BAD Commodity."
Once information has been given to even one person it's value almost always decreases. Over time this decrease grows exponentially. It's all pretty sound theory as far as I can tell. Torrent and other kinds of sharing is never going to stop and may well increase to the point where EVERYTHING is on these networks. I think the above posts make the best point...there isn't a lot you can do, but it's ok because by and large if you spend all your time looking at magic documents, you're probably a magic geek. Also another curious thing is that this thread parallels the exact campaign by the music and movie associations to curtail sharing. All of these strategies have effectively failed. Don't lose hope though, I think most mature magicians (probably your better customers anyway?) want to pay for and give credit to the masters of our craft.
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mormonyoyoman Inner circle I dug 5,000 postholes, but I have only 2440 Posts
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Then, on 2009-05-21 21:00, Lemniscate wrote: No, that's just how she normally sounds. *jeep! --Grandpa Chet
#ShareGoodness #ldsconf
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Chris K Inner circle 2548 Posts
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HA HA HA!
Wow, talk about a morning belly laugh, thanks for that one! |
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts
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All sorts of copy protection are out there, but the only thing that they really do is inconvenience honest folks. Someone who wants to make a copy will find a way to make a copy. The music and movie industry spent lots of money and I believe will eventually give up. Book publishers are worried that the new kindle will make trading of PDF's a problem.
It is easy to copy ebooks and digital videos. There is nothing to stop someone from rewritting a book, or making a video exposing something. Some think they are doing a service, a kid learns an effect that costs a lot, and wants to help someone out, these folks can be reasoned with, but I suspect they are in the minority. Many others don't care and even encourage our comments. Services like Youtube won't help. They get in real trouble if they actually censor content. Torrents are essentially unstoppable. Even though they have been shut down many times and have been convicted and sentenced in court, it is still on the air.
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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merlin1979 Veteran user Bottling the impossible 349 Posts
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On 2009-05-21 22:27, loyaleagle wrote: Well said, especially the last bit... |
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bik0z Regular user France 108 Posts
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Stop worrying: people, mainly teenagers, who download torrents don't perform magic at all! They don't even read the e-books or watch the videos. They just *collect* them on their hard drive(s)...
And you know what? With the money they would have spent to buy magic books and DVD, they buy a larger hard disk every 6 months, because they always need more and more space to store these torrents! Conclusion: don't sell magic, sell hard drives instead! 
My English sucks, I know it. It's probably better than your French anyway...
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baggins321 Loyal user United States 223 Posts
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http://www.highsecuritypaper.com/4allpurpose.html
Print your books with this paper. The only way to duplicate the book will be to manually type it out word for word. |
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts
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There is no way to stop this. You can make the file sharing more difficult but not impossible.
Also, I don't see anything wrong with file sharing. Sharing is not stealing. When you share a file, nobody lost anything. I neither do like that mentalism methods were public domain, but this is another problem, and again, we can not do anything. PS: I spend a LOT of money buying (e)books to support authors. |
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts
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On 2009-07-06 03:30, baggins321 wrote: Nice idea, but all it does is identify that unauthorized copies are, in fact, unauthorized copies. The people doing the thieving already know they're unauthorized, but simply don't care. They have rationalized away their wrongdoing with bogus justifications that are so pathetically transparent, the average eight-year-old could see through them. You know, absurd lines like "Sharing is not stealing. When you share a file, nobody lost anything." Of course, no one would be dense enough to try to pass off such nonsense in this forum, where the creators of their stolen goods actually hang out. Oh, wait...
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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EricDraven Inner circle 1257 Posts
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On 2009-07-06 13:08, Quinn wrote: :D oooops :D
Believe me...nothing is trivial...
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts
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On 2009-07-06 13:08, Quinn wrote: Mr. Quinn, forgive me if I don't respond to your demagogy. I'm sure you have any argument and I would like to read it, until then... Oh, one thing: I don't want to do "advocacy of crime". In my country file sharing (music, movies,...) is not a crime. In the other hand, Torrent is used for thousands of authors to auto promotion and distribution. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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I propose that any author with high quality material should just make it very expensive. I believe that buyers will be less likely to give it away if it costs them an arm and a leg to get it.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts
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On 2009-07-06 18:14, Cristobal wrote: Hi Cristobal, If you purchase an ebook and invite one of your friends to visit you and allow them to read the ebook from your computer, then "sharing" is not a crime. However, if you make a copy of the file and send it to your friend via email, then you have violated copyright laws and that is a crime. Regards, Steve
"Impossible? Your audience will think so..." TM
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Aaron Little Loyal user Lexington KY 263 Posts
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New Product Development Process
Step 1) Spend years developing a skill. Step 2) Spend years developing a market for said skill. Step 3) Spend months scripting, shooting, and editing an instructional DVD. Step 4) Work your butt off producing, marketing and filling orders. Step 5) Discover that your hard work has been “shared” on a pirate site 782 times. Step 6) Contemplate whether you will ever release another DVD. You may argue that the pirating of someone else’s intellectual property is not illegal but that does not make it any less wrong. |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts
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Has anyone suggested keeping your material to yourself...that's what I do.
Nathan
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p_n_g Loyal user 297 Posts
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I don't think that there is a possible way to prevent this. Information wants to be free, etc...
Give a "customer personal" invisible watermark to the PDF. So if you see this on a torrent (or other filesharing) network, you can identify who was the one who uploaded it. It won't stop the spreading of your work, but you can take legal actions. Norbert |
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts
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On 2009-07-06 21:21, yachanin wrote: You're right, Steve. It's violated copyright laws. But for me, morally talking, it's the same letting a friend read an ebook in the screen of my computer or copying him the file. (And no, I never did any of this). To copy a file cost nothing to anybody. Again, I buy books, ebooks or DVDs for support authors, and I never rip anything. |
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts
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On 2009-07-06 21:57, Aaron Little wrote: Hello Aaron, Is your argumentation that the seller is losing the money of those 782 copies? This would not be realistic. Instead, it's possible that some of the 782 users become clients of the original author. |
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2684 Posts
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If creators want to release information in any form they should be prepared for the fact that information in the 21st century flows like water and is totally unstoppable.
If creators want to keep things a secret, they should not release things, period. You can only blame creators for releasing secrets in the first place. The moment any secret is released, it's not a secret any more. And even if you simply tell someone something, the internet allows ideas to spread extremely quickly. We live in an information era and things are only going to flow more easily and more effectively. I'm in the music biz. Many of us got over this a long long time ago. Those who didn't are still giving themselves a heart attack. If I don't want people to listen to or share my music, I simply don't release it. I don't think it's as much to do with morals as a paradigm shift in the way society consumes information. It's only going to get better, or worse, depending on which way you look at it. If you want to protect your secrets, do paid gigs. That's the best way to make money from them. Releasing them to the general public (which is us lot, actually) and then complaining that people are actually reading this stuff is completely ridiculous. You can't stem the flow of information, and getting on the moral high horse and shaking ones fists at a technology which has brought us all to have this conversation in the first place is nothing short of ludicrous. I'm an author and there are people sharing my stuff out there, but also people buying it. Just like always. |
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts
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I love to hear that from you, Julian. I know that anyone who read your work would pay for it
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