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Lemniscate,

Not to really get involved here, but you left out the most important part of Ray's response. He mentioned that the fist and jacket were blowing out the candle, which it was, so it makes all of your references to Ray's answer irrelevant.

Have a nice day Smile

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Actually, it doesn't have a single thing to do with "dumb", or "people have been doing it forever" or "Ki", it has to do with being obvious, which refers to none of those things. But thanks for trying, you'll get the hang of reading eventually.

On a different note, I've learned to always listen when C. Taylor talks and I wholeheartedly recommend everybody doing the same.
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It would be more FUN to watch if someone would do ‘Gunslinger’ from Diamond Jim Tyler book, ‘Pocket Full of miracles. You just stand back and pretend that you are wearing a gun on your side (OWB) and quickly draw an imaginary gun then pause for a second they say, ‘BANG’ and the flame goes out which is a much better presentation.

As far as Ki and all that stuff, I started taking classes in 3rd grade and continued into my 50’s. I have been around to many places in the world and seen a few things that impressed me and things that didn’t. This flame thing is to help focus your punch. The other method is to hang a piece of paper from the ceiling.

I have been around so long that I have a few belts that I have somewhere that don’t mean anything. I even been to Korea where I study Hapkido and then 15 years ago I moved into close up fighting (in fighting) where I mix everything (JKD). I taught for years in different areas of combat so I really do know a thing or two about this and the gags or tricks that can be used in this matter.

With that being said, why don’t you decide to break bricks with your bare hands using the trick methods? Break real bricks using just your hands and physics. If you are so impressed with pushing the wind toward a candle flame then why not get into breaking real bricks using the con method? Plus it would be cool to watch.

If you want to know how to break a brick using your hands like many of the so-called masters,who claim to be using Ki, just PM me and I will be happy to give you insight.

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I just punched candle wax all over the carpet!!!
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On 2009-06-11 16:39, Silvertongue wrote:
I just punched candle wax all over the carpet!!!


:)

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Which martial arts did you study Willow?


Primarily, Kung Fu: My Jong Law Hon for ten years, and for the last 25 years a little known village system call Chunfeng (Spring Wind).

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I am an old coot ... 64. Never studied martial arts, although I was in a few fights when I was younger. I just tried the candle bit ... it took me 3 tries to do it ... then I tried a few variations until I was pretty sure I had the knack, maybe half a dozen in all ... Then I did it 5 times in a row. After that, just for interest, I did it with 6 inch punches 3 times in a row.

This trick is basically just what it looks like ... you are blowing out the candle by moving air with your fist. All you need to do is move your fist fast enough, close enough to the candle, at the right angle.

It is a lot easier to do it if you use the flat of your hand and wave at the candle, like you were slapping someone, but that is not very impressive. Maybe martial arts schools could use the candle-blowing-out trick to teach people to slap harder.

It is more difficult if you use just a one finger punch. I could not do it with one finger.

I doubt that many would find this very mysterious. And I do not see that it has anything to do with mentalism, even PK effects. I think that if you start a series of PK effects with this, you are just cuing the audience that all of your stunts are just tricks.

Maybe you could fit it into a larger set of routines if you admitted up front what it is all about ... maybe teach a spectator how to do it. Then move on to perhaps talk about mental control of your body and then move to pseudo- or real hypnosis effects ... stiff body between two chairs and you stand on person ... Georgia Magnet effects ... that sort of thing.

Personally I do not do PK effects ... they all seem totally unbelievable to me. But this one is more transparent than most, in my opinion.

Cheers ..... Charles
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I do it with my hands tied behind my back.
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I can do it with my bottom..
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Lemniscate: Regarding people listening, thank you for the kind words. I just wish my son felt the same way Smile

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I doubt that many would find this very mysterious.


It depends on your presentation. If you believe, so will they...

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And I do not see that it has anything to do with mentalism, even PK effects.


Many people here don't understand what this has to do with mentalism - I'm not going to explain it either.

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Personally I do not do PK effects ... they all seem totally unbelievable to me. But this one is more transparent than most, in my opinion.


You have the magic eye my friend, like everyone here. Spoon bending looks completely fake to me, while the people watching think otherwise. Perception is everything!

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On 2009-06-11 17:48, charlesgmorgan wrote:
This trick is basically just what it looks like ... you are blowing out the candle by moving air with your fist. All you need to do is move your fist fast enough, close enough to the candle, at the right angle.


This made me both smile, then chuckle. Thankyou Charles. I'd suggest everybody read the above. Then read it again. And maybe just once more. Then ask yourself if this doesn't make complete and perfect sense. Then ask your self why you needed to read it more than once, If you're sane you should be chuckling by now.
I mean, IF I wanted to do this I'd devise a method where I could do it with a brick.

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There is another way of doing this - even from a distance. If you have a copy of "Reality is Plastic" then have a look at the front cover Smile

If you DON'T have a copy... why not?

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I have been doing it for at least 16 years, but not as magic but as a result of training kung fu.

Obviously now that I perform magic I have done it as a gag in a middle of a magic show and it turns that the spectators get very impressed by it.

I think is a mix of Qi energy and wind blown by the fists, because when I do it without the proper breathing martial arts techniques, it doesn’t work that well. And with the breathing techniques I have been able to do it from a distance of approximately 15 inches from the candle. The guy doing it in the video does it too close. In that particular case it could be just the action of the air pushed by a fast fist.

I do teach these techniques to my students at the university, because one of the subjects I teach here has to do with the practical and theoretical parts of eastern philosophies. And, the only secrets to these techniques are proper stomach breathing, visualizing and practice. I start with one of the easiest punches or hits which is done with two fingers, then the karate punch with an open hand, then the karate sword or "shuto" punch, and finally the karate punch like the one in the video. I do it in that order because I have found that the first punches blow more air, therefore less concentration and Qi is needed, while the latter punches blow less air.

These are just my thoughts and I am sure a lot of people will disagree in the believe of Qi. I do believe in Qi, but as I just said, in these types of demonstrations you have both, a physical (air) and a non physical (Qi) action.

Best regards,


Giovanni.
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I have a copy and I don't know what you mean Drew. And what are you doing up at this time? it's after midnight. You on the pish again?
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Bobser, I have a very nice glass of wine beside me. The front cover - it's a water pistol, init?
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I think is a mix of Qi energy and wind blown by the fists, because when I do it without the proper breathing martial arts techniques, it doesn’t work that well.


Ah well, there y'go then. Charles was wrong. Sorry tiriri.
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I have also a friend who has visited many Buddhist and Shaoling temples in the east and he told me about a particular one where they practice the "Yoga of one finger", which consists of the practitioner meditating sometimes for decades in concentrating all his Qi in the tip of one finger.

After many years of practice they are suppose to do the candle technique but without any motion of the hand. When they reach that point they try to do it putting a piece of paper between the hand and the candle, and, finally when they master the technique, they do it putting a wooden board between the hand and the candle. Then their master prohibits the practitioner to ever use the technique again because it is lethal.

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On 2009-06-11 18:18, IAIN wrote:
I can do it with my bottom..


I have a similar effect that makes the flame suddenly grow. I got the idea while watching Terrence and Philip.
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I think this is one of those little things
that is fun to know and to use when the ocasion appears

I try it out and did it after a few trys.. so I guess I can do it on request now.. but I think this is one of those impromptu things.. when you are on a discussion with new age followers and then you can say something along the lines I don't believe in qi.. but there´s something interesting that qi gong masters do.. wanna see it?.. and you go and perform..
I think this going on with a right frame
if they see throught the trick.. you go.. yeah.. but qi gong masters like to fool themselves.. and if it works out.. well even better
it could work.. but not as a routine more likely an impromptu effect like I said
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<<I have a similar effect that makes the flame suddenly grow>>

It's the water pistol and lighter fluid idea. Right?
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