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DN777
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em9-TCunnC0

If you know the method please post up! I invite everyone to start an active discussion on the topic of extinguishing flames with punches, kicks, Qi energy and anything else you might like! I am happy to answer PM's regarding this effect as well, but I prefer to answer questions in the thread.

Thank you!
- Dan
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Dan:I liked your clip very much.This is new to me,however I am sure there are others here who are more familiar.

I am thinking this [extinguishing a flame with a punch] could be a nice addition to a multi-phase TK/PK presentation.

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How about you put your fist next to the flame and PULL your fist back. You will pull the flame with your fist.

Couldn't watch the clip so not sure if that's what you did or not. My computer issue.

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On 2009-06-10 22:54, Daniel Normandeau wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em9-TCunnC0

If you know the method please post up! I invite everyone to start an active discussion on the topic of extinguishing flames with punches, kicks, Qi energy and anything else you might like! I am happy to answer PM's regarding this effect as well, but I prefer to answer questions in the thread.

Thank you!
- Dan



This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here, just the dumb wind coming off your fist and in YOUR case your coat sleeve also!

Why would anyone want to discussion extinguishing a flame with a punch or kick is beyond me. What purpose are you trying to establish here?


Ray
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Wow magical dimension, really there is no qi.... you destroyed my dreams...

why would anyone respond to a post which clearly they are not interested in.

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From that distance you can simply punch them out. Nice video.

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Bit harsh Magical Dimensions. Bad morning?
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Watch your left hand's thumb too...not square with the fist...too extended...

I'd be impressed if you could do a one inch punch version...
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Do what your doing and then follow it with the Skills of The Vagabonds method to put it out from across the room.

No loops. No instant stooge. No wind.

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Ray has right here.

Perhaps it could be interesting to do the invisible punch but not so close from the flame !
It's too logical.
If somedoby told me he can extinguish a flame and do what you do, I thought "this guy pulling my legs"
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I believe Daniel was sincerely just trying to open a dialog here to get some feedback,and possibly some ideas on how this can be taken to another level.

I can imagine a presentation that begins with the lighting of a candle,and proceeds with 2 or 3 TK/PK effects[or other visual effects],and ends with extinguishg of the candle,as shown.[although Anthony's reference above to the Skill's of the Vagabonds method also sounds interesting]
So perhaps lighting 3 candles at the start...and at the finish extinguishing two with punches,and the third from a distance.

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Have 3 candles...someone points to one, a small group focuses on it..

then it estinguishes...

easy to do..and a lovely method is mentioned in a bob cassidy ebook...
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Thank you Iain and Anthony, that's great information!

I'm going to clarify a few things about this effect. As Ray pointed out it's been done for a long time... But can you do it? Most of you probably can't. I simply invite people to try it for themselves before saying the solution is obvious! With this method you can do it on any candle as well, no need for any preparation. You just need to practice for a bit. Doing it successfully every time IS impressive if you have the right presentation.

Furthermore, as a few people surely realized, this is a great prelude to a distance effect, this is also a great way to cancel out other methods... I'm sorry you found it dumb Ray, I'll try to find something a little bit more on your level next time, mmmkay?
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Well, as long as both Ray and Daniel got personal, time to demonstrate that hubris breeds nemesis...

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But can you do it? Most of you probably can't. I simply invite people to try it for themselves before saying the solution is obvious!


I remember those days. When I thought I was clever because I knew something most people didn't (I think I am specifically referring to tearing phone books in half). I was an idiot for thinking that way just as Daniel as an idiot for thinking that way. It's worse here because at least I only thought so to myself whereas Daniel's will live in posterity forever. However, to close this chapter on his hubris:

I can do it. I've done it for years. I've done remote version, one-inch punch versions, and even a version from the other room. I've combined it with "karate chops" that result in the candle falling into pieces when I extinguish the flame (I see you people nodding your heads, easy yet clever combination of effects, huh?). I could offer constructive criticism but what would be the point, you obviously think you're special (secret: you're not, I'm not, nobody is).

Get over yourself and you'll find that people would be willing to teach you (I'm not, so don't even ask, and that's saying a lot because I help out almost anybody who asks).

Ray,
Why would anybody want to pretend they can move stuff in their mind? Let me use your own words to answer that.
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Ok, maybe I am being picky. What about reading somebody's thoughts? Oh, wait...
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Ok, ok, what about making coins gather under one card?
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Um, bending a coin?
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Writing something on a piece of paper only to tear it up? Rationalizing it with energy (KI) or concentration or whatever?
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Falling in love?
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Believing in an afterlife?
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


Living?
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This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isn’t any KI energy involved here


When you can answer any possible question with the same answer, it means the answer is irrelevant (by definition, actually, but I really don't want to get into a discussion about semantics). Just because you don't find a particular method/effect to be good doesn't mean it's dumb. I mean, if one is arrogant or ignorant enough, maybe they THINK it is, but it isn't.

The funniest thing about Ray's post, though, is he offered the strongest counter-argument against it himself:
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What purpose are you trying to establish here?

You recognize that a "purpose" can put this into perspective. A CT would seem dumb if a purpose wasn't given as well.

Think about it objectively for a minute, Ray, how many of your effects fail if you put the same spin on them? I'd guess every single effect, activity, joke, gag, move, thought, etc. that you could think of (remember, you can't use what you are THINKING when doing the effect, only what it looks like).

Hubris breeds nemesis and consider yourselves nemesized.
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I'm not going to get into the personal side of the effect, but just to view it from a layman's POV, do we think the method fools people?

Now I'm all for bold methods! I think that with great performance technique we can use very bold methods and still fool people badly. I also understand Daniel's comments about using this as a secondary method for alternate remote effects which I think is very . Anytime we can use multiple conflicting methods for creating the same effect, it's more deceptive.

I just don't have enough feedback from laymen to know if using this technique as a primary method will be deceptive. Even if the spectator doesn't get the subtlety of the angle of the fist and all the details, will he just assume the actual method? Daniel does it as well as anyone I've seen. What has been your experience in the field with it?

The other problem in performing situations is that even if people knew the method, many times social constructs prevented them from saying anything. I had a great proving ground in the magic shop testing things on people off the street. If something was a little off, they had no trouble calling you on it!

I like the idea of this, I just want to know if it will fool most people.
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All you have to do is ask them to try it. I know TKD black belts who can't do this. The secret is also in the whipping motion of the legs, hips, waist and torso. If you know basic tai chi movements or kung fu you'll know what I mean!

Some people are able to do it, others can't. When someone is able to do it, I just tell them their Qi is strong and I congratulate them on the lucky hit. A big wrestler will want to try... Let him, it will be fun! Again, if people are able to do it, don't take it as failure. Instead, "prepare" them with breathing exercises and "teach them" to do it so you can take all the credit if they happen to get a lucky hit! It will NOT work every time for laypeople. It will however happen occasionally especially if the spectator has a martial arts background.

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Dan: Some feed back. Have you performed this for lay people? What are their reactions? Can you generate enough wind in short sleeves (perhaps more impressive). I've trained in the martial arts for over 40 years and have never attempted this. After seeing your little demo, I tried it sleeveless and did not find it difficult in the least. I think this would be quite easy for anyone who can deliver a reasonably fast punch with control. As mentioned above, it might be a good intro to a distance effect.

All the best,

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Yes, I've performed it for lay people. I've seen people tire themselves right out boxing the candle. When I first saw it done, I remember being very impressed as well. The fact that you can do it easily is a testament to your 40 year accomplishment! I don't find any difference in difficulty with or without sleeves. Good point though on the presentation, sleeveless is better. I simply wanted to look the same way in the video as I do when I show up in person.

Which martial arts did you study Willow?

Thanks,
- Dan
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I aslo recommand you to do it a bit farther if you are able to. On the video, you look really close to the flame.
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