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(At least that is the name I seem to associate with this trick) is a wonderful method of doing a silk dyeing effect. Strangely, I found no reference to it in any of the silk topics...or anywhere else on this forum. I have the original manuscript and dug it out the other day to refresh my memory.

This handling had a brief revival during the 70's and 80's in Japan, notably in the performance and lecture of Maki Kitami and Shintaro Fujiyama. Since both were proteges of the late Shigeo Takagi perhaps they learned it from him.

I think I may rework the routine in such a way as to incorporate elements of the half dyed silk and Duke's Dye-Version for a stand alone 3- 4 minute musical silk sequence. any comments or thoughts from our learned brethren in silk?
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I’ve always liked this routine. It is silk dying without dye tubes and you can tear up the newspaper tube at the end leaving you clean! I perform it as a mini-blow dye routine. Mini because it is only the last silk that gets really gets blown out of the tube.

You could do a simplified version of Duke’s Dye Version without needing a dye tube. Pull a colored silk hank from your pocket and stuff it into the tube, pull a little bit of that silk from the opposite end. Reach into the pocket and pull out a second different colored silk and stuff it into the tube, and again with a third. You could even do a forth color (or more but it would get boring). Have a little of the last silk apparently sticking out of the end of the tube. First silk apparently sticking out of one end, last color apparently sticking out the opposite end.

Peel off the rubber band that holds the tube round. Have a spectator take hold of one silk and another spectator take hold of the other silk and walk away. Viola’ the silks are the opposite ends of a streamer. As they come to the full extension of the streamer open the tube, tear it in half thus showing it empty.

At least that is one way I’ve played it.

You can do a gimmick-less half dyed silk routine in much the same way. You can use pretty large silks compared to some gimmick based routines. I’ve not performed a half-dyed Mongolian Silk Mystery but at your mention of the idea here I’ve walked through a simple version. It can work. I don't know if it is stronger than a more gimmicked based routine.
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OK, now you guys did it. I have to get out my manuscript and refresh my memory.

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Is there a source for the instructions for the "Mongolian Silk Mystery"?

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My premise was to do the traditional mongolian phase for the first silk, perhaps fake the blow dye for the second, and after putting the third silk in 1/2 way, start the color change and tear the paper in half midway...revealing a 1/2 dyed silk.

Get another piece of paper, load in a paper made gimmick that delivers me a 30 foot streamer, and with the three previously colored silks poked in one end, (using another gimmick to steal them out)...end up with a very long streamer and a paper that reveals nothing.

Ted, sorry you've been left out of the discussion here, The manuscript is an old one and I've had it 25 or 30 years. I don't know who owns the rights to the effect today. I know it has been featured in the Japanese lectures (although I'm not sure they attributed it to Mr. Johansen)
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Jneal,
I am looking at the manuscript. The copyright is 1953.

Your idea sounds like half dyed silk blowing by Duke Stern...

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Maki Kitami has an instructional video (now on DVD) that you can get thru Mahka Tendo or AIVIDEO. It starts with Carlos Corda silk production and then he performs CC silk you are talking about.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks ! I have the video...I think either Maki himself or Shigeo Takagi gave it to me. What is especially nice is that Maki sits down with Shigeo and just to watch Shigeo talk brings great joy to me. I have such great memories of this great man. He wanted to learn my billiard routine and we went to one of his offices and video'ed the whole thing...arond 1980!

Also nice is that all of Shigeo's students had a finesse in handling sliks that it had inherent theatricality. maki always reminded me (physicallly at least) of Fantasio.
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When I published my "Dye-Version Version" in The Wizards' Journal #17, I deliberately did not include Fred Johansen's "Mongolian Silk Mystery" method because I wanted to give it a special treatment in my Mini-Mysteries series, where I take an old effect and revisit it. I'm not sure if I should go ahead with the e-Book if others are planning write-ups on the trick, but I added Fred Johansen to my Brief Biographies of Magic Inventors:
http://www.magicnook.com/forum/bioHIJ.htm

Would anyone be interested in contributing treatments or variations of his Silk Mystery as a tribute to Fred?
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Hey Spellbinder! Go ahead with whatever plans you have to rework the effect. I may never get around to putting any of my ideas into a published form , and I'm sure our takes on the effect would be different enough..I say the more the merrier!
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