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mddkf New user 24 Posts |
So there are a few forces where you ask someone to pick a number between 1 and 10, implying that the number should be 2-9 and not 1 or 10. If they choose a 1 or 10 the response is " no I said between 1 and 10" I wonder what you think of this and does it work for you? Is there a better out if they choose 1 or 10?
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of it -- neither the line itself, nor the process of having a card forced that involves a number being named.
Unless the effect really needs to have a card selected in that manner, I'd switch to a different force.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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mddkf New user 24 Posts |
I'm not looking to use it with a card trick. I'm working on something from Magic and Meaning with a love Pill and a death pill, so card forces just don't do the job.
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Sorry, I completely misread that. My apologies.
As for the line itself, I'm still not a huge fan. One of the big issues with a force is trying to make sure that it doesn't seem like a force, and if somebody makes what they feel is a free choice and then you automatically reject it and further restrict their choices, it doesn't seem to play right to me. Now, that said, Max Maven (among others) has used the technique for range forcing before, so you might want to take what I say with a grain of salt. Now, depending upon the effect, if I absolutely had to make sure they didn't pick a 1 or a 10, I'd probably try to come up with some number randomly without letting on that certain numbers are out of range. For instance, if you arm yourself with a bunch of dollar bills, none of which has a '1' or '0' digit, you could have them choose any bill they they want, and then have them select one number out of the serial number at random, and then try to sell the fact that it could have been any number between 1 and 10. Another approach could involve asking people to hold up a random number of fingers on their hands, and then adding together the number of fingers that they've got, or perhaps even offering them a choice. "Ok, she's holding up three fingers and four fingers. You can choose three, you could choose four, or you could add them both together and choose seven." And then afterwards... "Now, she could have held up as many fingers as she wanted, yeah? And you had three numbers to choose from, right?" You could toss out 10 matches, and ask them to hand you some of them. This will keep them from giving you all 10 or else keeping all 10 for themselves, and THIS will let you come to a number that meets your range. If they give you between 1 and 8 matches, you can use whatever they're left with as the number. If they give you 9 matches, you can say, "Alright, you gave me 9." You can use something other than matches so that it fits your routine's aesthetics -- for instance, doing the same thing with pills. Now, the above are a bit more process-heavy than just asking them to say a number off the top of their heads. I think you'd do well to make sure that whenever a process is inflicted upon an audience that it feels as fair as possible. If you don't even want that dynamic (and I wouldn't blame you if you didn't), then consider this... From the sounds of it, it seems less like a straight force and more of a range force with outs. If that's the case, it might be worthwhile adding the additional 2 outs so that you don't have to restrict their choices at all. Of course, without knowing the effect or methodology at all, it's hard to say how feasible this is. One other thought... Is it the number itself that is important? Or is the number going to further a different process?
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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mddkf New user 24 Posts |
Wow. Thanks. Those are great ideas and exactly what I was looking for. In the trick you have 10 pills with two marked that you force. You force one and choose the other yourself. I think your suggestion about using the dollar bill would work great. Thanks for the detailed response.
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bkp007 New user Longview, Texas 63 Posts |
Slightly off the topic but:
the backslip force (as it is called in the royal road to card magic) is a must learn. |
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