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I bought Billy McComb's half dyed hank routine from Viking Magic and the dye tubes are the nomal size... Is there a difference in the gimmicks for Billy's routine as sold by Viking Magic and other dealers?

I have Levent's routine on order too.
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Billy tooka perfectly cylindrical tube and squeezed it to make it oval. In it's round shape he could not wedge two fingers inside it. When it was oval, he could. A round tube has a slightly larger internal volume than a oval tube. No big deal.
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By the way Jonathan, I just realized WHO you are so now I feel stupid. I'm a student of Tony Clark's and he's told me he believes you to be the most talented magician working today. The reason I feel stupid is I was at his show in Studio City when you opened with the half dyed routine, which is what inspired me to learn it in the first place. I'd seen videos of it but seeing you perform it live is what made it come to life for me and I bought it the very next morning...I still think about that performance when I'm rehearsing it. Is that creepy? Whatever, magicians are creepy. Anyway thanks for the inspiration!
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I am not aware of a difference in the size of the dye tubes made by different manufacturers. Abbott's I know were made to Billy's Size specs also.

As I said earlier, I made my own. They are 2 1/4" long which is a little shorter than Billy's. They are 1 1/2" ovaled.

Andrew, don't feel bad about realzing who Jonathon is. He might have been using one of his alias at that time you saw him. Ask him about that sometime. But I remember him from years ago at Abbott's and then next saw him almost 20 years later at IBM in Kansas City. He is truly a memorable and inspiring performer. His writings aren't bad either. It shows what working the boards can do for you.

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Aww Shucks guys!

As Richard points out, I've had many 'aliases' over the years. I swear I have had as many as Tommy Martin...who also worked as T. Bradley Martin, Tommy Bradley, and others. It's a nuisance to have to keep altering your name. On the west coast there were a plethora of three named magicians and I got a call for an irate Talent buyer years ago who wanted to know why I was booking myself on a certain gig...turns out it was either Jonathan David Bass or James Chantler Brown.

So I dropped the third name (Brown) . Believe it or not, here is another Jonathan Brown who lives 5 blocks from me (fortunately not a magician) When I started doing ships again after about 10 years..there was another Jonathan Neal (from England..who does magic)! Combine that with the surplus of "Jonathan's" in magic...so in this forum I started to use just JNeal. No deception was intended.

I appreciate the kind words from Andrew and Richard (and Tony Clark as well) and I am glad you derived enough enjoyment from my performance to want to emulate it Andrew!
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This thread has been very helpful. I bought the McComb routine and props from viking magic but the dye tube that comes with the routine is too long for my liking. It can hide behind my hand but just barely. I am also having a tough time stealing the tube because I have pretty skinner fingers and it's hard to get a good grip using just one. That's why I was looking for a two finger tube, first because it would be wider and therefor shorter and also because it might be easier to steal. Thanks for all of your help guys.
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Leeman, another advantage of a palmo style gimmick is that the turned in lip allows you to steal the tube easier because you can hook the first joint of your finger into that lip and form a better grip.
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The new Mentos gum package is a great resource for making your own gimmick. Cut off the top and bottom and add a few BandAids and you're set!


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On 2009-07-03 13:47, Andrewzuber wrote:
Thanks for the tips! I've seen a picture of the palmo and of dye tubes but wasn't really sure of the advantages. As I mentioned I own Billy's routine so I have his gimmicks which certainly work fine for me...but does this mean the palmo can be used for the entire half dyed routine without needing to do a switch?


yes it does allow an easier handling and no switching. The one thing you don't get is the "blooming" of the silks out of the tube the way Billy did it. If you've seen Billy's routine you know what I mean. It's a beautiful sight.

I have the 2 finger tubes but have yet to even consider using them.
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Frank,
You are right, that is s beautiful 'bit' in Billy's routine, and I hated to lose it, but other ideas can be used to fill the 'moment' and all decisions (artistic and otherwise) involve trade offs...Not having to switch gimmicks is a worthwhile advantage.
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Interesting thought Frank, as I do really enjoy the blooming aspect of the routine. I also like just being able to give my hand a little shake and have the red silk fall out of it automatically. Perhaps I'll buy a Palmo and try it both ways. I've seen them for 10-12 bucks online - that's about standard, right?
Does anyone know if Hollywood Magic sells them?
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They did sell them, although I'm not sure how many are in stock. Ask Newell who works there. He should be able to help
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Thanks Jonathan! I'll look into it.
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"yes it does allow an easier handling and no switching. The one thing you don't get is the "blooming" of the silks out of the tube the way Billy did it. If you've seen Billy's routine you know what I mean. It's a beautiful sight."

I have seen Billy McComb do his routine and I don't know what you mean by "blooming"
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Billy had a move when he would reproduce the second silk. It caused the silk to pop out of the gimmick rather like a flower opening in fast forward. This was accomplished by the other hand pushing two fingers up into the bottom of the concealed gimmick. It would generally produce a round of applause. It only works with a straight sided gimmick without a turned in lip. It's in his book "25 Years Wiser "
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I realize this is way old...but for those wondering about the palmo here's a sample of me being a complete goof with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8X4QQAzP......nel_page

/me loves the palmo....but I have a machinist friend and soon I will see if he can make me a Willmann dye tube : )
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Odd, you mention the Willmann dye tube. I have been thinking about reintroducing them.

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On 2009-07-19 20:55, hugmagic wrote:
Odd, you mention the Willmann dye tube. I have been thinking about reintroducing them.

Richard


If you have any thoughts about improvements I'd love to hear them. I have an idea to include and inner ring to facilitate a one finger steal. My intention is to produce perhaps five of them for personal use (provided my friend is willing to do them at all!)

If we end up using a suggestion I'd be happy to give you one : )
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