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DanielvdHaar
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After messing with cards for quite a while I'm now becoming very interested in learning a stack. Although I started learning Aronsons stack this week, I still have some doubts before commiting myself to this particular stack. One of the main reasons for memorizing a stack is because of the open index principle. The only thing that stops me is the fact that I don't have any way of spelling to a card in my language (Dutch) from the beginning of the stack. Of course there are options with second deals and multiple turnovers etc but I want to be able to have some sleight of hand free options so to speak. I'm sure many of you have the same problem, not having english as our native language. I do want to learn a pretty common stack because of the ammount of tricks and thinking behind for example Tamariz' and Aronsons. Wondering what solutions people found for this problem.

Thanks in advance,
Daniel
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I'd recommend at least considering making your own stack. At the same time, that might be tough if you've never used a MD before. It took me using a MD for quite a while before I realized that the stack I would get the most use out of was one that I made myself.

If you want a stack that's "pretty common", I would recommend either Tamariz' or Aronson's. Both are great stacks with a lot of work built in, and a lot published on each. Read up on both before deciding.
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I have given up on trying to use built in spelling effects in my language with the Aronson stack. You may of course be lucky in your own language. But I doubt it. Unless the number of letters in names of the cards in Spanish or English happen to coincide with the ones in Dutch.

Luckilly I'm only sentimentally attached to the first spelling effect I ever fell for, and it doesn't require any setup. My advice would be to forget about the spelling feature and look at other built in features in the process of making a choice.

You should therefore read this thread, in which Count Zapik also brings up some very clever ideas about spelling. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=205
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Count Zapik
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You may already know that you can spell to any card in the pack in english if you can bring it to the fourth or fifth position in the pack. Spell ace, two, four, five, six, nine, ten, jack. king, with the card in fourth place. It'll be either the card spelt to or the next card each time. For three, seven, eight and queen you need to have the card in the fifth place from the top. Maybe not as impressive as a full spell of the proper name of the card but not bad. I used to do this for years as an incidental quick effect and it went over well enough. The audience amazement is not much different to the elaborate full card name spelling in truth. It is still a wonder that any named card can be summoned from nowhere by spelling. Maybe this is more easily translatable as an idea in other languages? Have you tried applying this idea to your language Noobini?
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It's not a bad idea, Count. In my language the card values spell between 2 and 5 letters so I don't think it would be an ideal setup, and in any case I feel that there are other spelling tricks that would play a lot stronger as they would yield the full name of the card in question.

But it is a clever idea!
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DanielvdHaar
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Thanks for the replies. The last couple of days I've contemplated using either a 'DIY' stack, Aronson's or Tamariz'. Weighed the pro's and con's of each (if there are any!) and decided to go for Tamariz' stack. Already got the first 13 cards down!
Incidently I found out I can spell 4 orso cards from the face of the deck, and 3 or 4 more from the top using some sleight of hand (the Q of Hearts spells directly from the top of the deck, so that might come in handy)
As somebody personally told me, you shouldn't make a decision based on the amounts of cards you can spell, because there's so much more powerfull stuff you can do with the memorized deck (Thanks Danny, for pointing this out). But since I was gonna go for Tamariz' or Aronson's (because there's so much in print about those) I thought why not check for spelling aswel. It's nice when you let someone name a card, you already got outs so to speak.
Thanks for your thoughts and the link, certainly got some reading to do! What a wealth of information is in these forums Smile
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