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The Amazing Noobini
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I have been trying to adapt the wonderful effect Las Tres Horas, -The Three Hours from Mnemonica into the Aronson Stack order. But I haven't found any area that allows for a 12+2 solution with a maximum of 2 fishing questions. Part of my problem of course, is that these kinds of mental calculations are difficult for me.

So does anyone have any interesting solutions or adaptations? I'm thinking that maybe 10+2 cards will do just as well in terms of being impressive as 12+2. It plays like 30 random cards after all, if I understand the effect correctly.

For instance: Running from 2H to 2D is equally easy to remember as Ramón Riobóo's 10H to 10D in Mnemonica. But the many fishing result combinations are less ideal. Probably far too much for me to mentally calculate.

Fishing for "red spots" would give you a situation where:

- If only spectator 1 raises his hand you need to fish for an Ace.
- If only spectator 2 raises his hand you also need to fish for an Ace (sigh).
- If only spectator 3 raises his hand you er... fish for an Ace.
- If they all raise their hands you need fish for a King (or a two if you prefer).

This is the exact opposite of an ideal situation. The best scenario would be to have one person raise their hand and then know something, not have to do more outs the clearer the initial answer is.

An alternative starting point would be the KH. That would mean a lot less fishing (still "red spots"):

- If only spectator 2 raises his hand you need to fish for a 10.
- If spectator 1 and 2 raise their hands you also need to fish for a 10.

But the trade off is that among the 7 center cards, 3 are Jacks and 3 are 10s, which looks less than random.

I realize that the very idea is based on an idea/effect by Simon Aronson, but I don't have that book and I think the version in Mnemonica will be easier for me as well, if I could find the best approach for it.

Is it in anyone's repertoire? If so, it is a tough one to do live and does it really play strong enough to make it worth while?
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Check out Michael Close's "Myopia" in Workers 5 or on his Workers DVD.
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Hi Noob:

When I was playing around with the 5-Faro stack, I ran across this trick and re-worked it so I could use it with the 5-Faro stack. It took some playing around, working with different groupings in the stack, and coming up with my own fishing questions, etc., but I was able to come up with something that would work just as well as the one in the Tamariz stack. I wouldn't recommend basing your groupings on easy to remember outliers (such as the 2H to 2D). Just look through the stack and see if you can find a grouping that will fit your needs.

I ended up not using that stack, so I've actually never performed the trick. I think the revelations would be really strong. The weak part of the routine, obviously, is the lengthy selection process. In that case, your 10 + 2 might actually be a slight improvement.

Finally, I have to look up Myopia again - it's been a long time since I read through that trick. I can't remember the effect - maybe Mike has already solved it for you...
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Thanks, guys!

I roughly know Myopia and if I'm correct it requires almost dead on estimation cutting? I have been practicing that for... who knows... a year at least, and I am still often off by more than 3 cards. I just don't have a good enough feel for it.

I have recently begun using only one brand of decks for all memdeck work in order to hopefully get a little better at that. Before I have varied between ultra thin Stud decks and really thick other brands. I don't know if it will make much of a difference but we'll see in time.

But anyway, doesn't Myopia play like a completely different effect from The Three Hours? I was really hoping for something as close to the description in Mnemonica as possible. It doesn't matter that it uses the same principle. What matters is what the spectator sees.

As for a 5-faro stack, I have never used that. I am always set up in Aronson order. I stopped being interested in NDO effects after I learned to color separate decks quickly. Because I think that using a shuffled deck in use and arriving on red/black separation is actually stronger than doing all the shuffling yourself and arriving at NDO.

But that is an aside really. What I have is an Aronson stack and what I am looking for is a method to do The Three Hours with that. If possible. If not, then I will do something else. Smile
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Like I was saying - I believe that you can probably find an appropriate grouping with the Aronson stack. It will just take some searching and thinking.
If I get a chance later tonight, I'll see if anything jumps out at me.

To your aside - Tamariz (and others) have ways of taking a shuffled deck in use, getting it to stack order in the course of a couple of effects, and then ending in NDO. To me, that is the ultimate! Granted, that takes a more formal audience that is a little harder to come by.
;o)

Good luck, the search is half the fun!
Cohiba
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Noobini:

I came up with a solution that I believe should fit your needs. I sent you a PM.
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On 2009-07-01 11:29, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
What I have is an Aronson stack and what I am looking for is a method to do The Three Hours with that. If possible. If not, then I will do something else. Smile

Several years ago, after first getting Mnemonica, I worked out The Three Hours with the Aronson Stack.
Although I shared it with several others, I've never received any feedback.

In my version I found a 14 card run in the Aronson stack that works.
Additionally, I use only 4 questions total (and an additional comment to reveal one group when none of the spectators respond to a question), after "I SEE RED SPOTS." One question is used three times (in two separate instances it's identical and another it's slightly modified).

I'm not sure how different it is from Cohiba's, but PM me and I'll share my version with you.
Larry
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Sent you a PM, Larry.

A great thank you to everyone who have sent me your brilliant thoughts on this through PMs! It was something I had failed to solve myself and yet several great solutions have been found by bigger brains than my own!

However I have now memorized Mnemonica and plan to use that stack for the time being. So from now on I won't be actively searching for any more Aronson stack alternatives to The Three Hours.
"Talk about melodrama... and being born in the wrong part of the world." (Raf Robert)
"You, my friend, have a lot to learn." (S. Youell)
"Nonsensical Raving of a lunatic mind..." (Larry)
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