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Bill Lhotta Veteran user on top of a 14000' mountain in Colorado 357 Posts |
Greetings!
For those of you who have an iPhone or IPod Touch, Ben has a nifty little app you can purchase where you can do a revelation of the spectators chosen card right on the screen. He's also programmed in a nice feature where you can let the spectator press the button to turn over the card themselves. There are also options to chose between two different back designs and backgrounds for the screen. I still prefer the original Crossroads effect, but when you pair the two of them together (as Ben described in a previous post to this thread) you get a real nice combination of effects that enhance each other! One word of advice. When you go to download the effect you must do it from your Iphone or IPod Touch. It won't work if you attempt to just download it to your computer. That wasn't intuitively obvious when I originally tried to download the effect. You can check the Crossroads Iphone app out at http://www.premierappshop.com (remember to access this link from your Iphone or Ipod Touch as it won't work from a computer) There are some other neat magic apps there too that you may want to check out. Cheers! ** Bill ** |
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
Hi Bill,
I'm glad you're enjoying the combination of reveals. You are correct, CR with a real deck will always be better than a "virtual" presentation! It's like "reality" vs "let's pretend". However, using one to lead into the other is a lovely "walk down the garden path." I agree, http://www.premierappshop.com do have some nice items in their shop. You don't have to wade through thousands of questionable items to get to the goodies! Benny
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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Rafael The Master Hypnotist Elite user South East Asia 498 Posts |
I have this and Curently I combine this with Few others effect
to know the Strength of the "Cross Road" Principle the only way is by doing it, so far I get GREAT Reaction from the Spectator, especialy when I take out their target card from the Envelope that has been in Full View in the beggining the way I do it is: I have ONE Envelope on the table + ONE Deck of Card on the table both item is in Full View, and then I do the "Crossroad" Procedure, they count the UN-TOUCED Deck taht has been in full view, it contain 51 card, and I cleanly take the envelope and take out their target card its like doing "Prize Winner" or "Premonition" and Combine it with Marc Oberon Bang On" but dling it with much more simpler and Effective Method, Only with ONE DECK in FULL VIEW and ONE Envelope in FULL VIEW will post more about the CRCAAN Now I'm going back to the Real World and Perform both of this Effect to tryout more possibilities .......
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
The weakness of the Magician's Choice Force when applied to a single card is that you can't put any real emphasis upon the fairness of any part of the procedure. You have to reduce to both the value AND the suit of the card.
Crossroads strength is that you have what appears to be a 'fairly' open and free choice of the 'value', leaving the best of the two to force via Equiv. Thus the procedure appears extremely open and fair to the layman AND in such manner that they will almost inevitably remember latter that they "just named any card they desired". Very strong. For me the fascinating part of the routine is the amazing number of ways that one could use to discover the 'vanished' card. I've already worked out the basic concept of how to find ANY of the selections in my wallet and still have it examinable. (Note...you 'do' have to touch the wallet briefly, so don't start thinking I have 'real' magic powers...I don't...not any more. Really.) But, that's just the beginning. Even sitting here fuzzy headed and ill, just getting over Pneumonia I can think of a half dozen differing methods of revealing the selection that would be really cool! How about this: I happen to know a guy who is back in the business of making 'Card in Can'. Ones you have to open with a 'can opener'. He does custom jobs. Specific cards into a can, etc. Think table littered with sealed can, orange, wallet, etc. I'm going to have fun with this. Bravo Ben,
Brad Burt
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
Hi Brad,
I'm sorry to hear you have been ill. Fondly remember the times we had running wild in San Diego all those years ago! Love the "Card in Can" idea. Get better soon, my friend! Benny
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Hello everyone
I refer to the quote Ben wrote on the thread earlier to Lumberjohn You don't think we've considered them? This was researched back to the 1930's. My research team reads like a who's who. 100's of methods including all the current ones (and those only available to the inner circle) have been considered. So, the concept of looking for BETTER versions of Crossroads (the ENTIRE COMBINED EFFECT WITH 100% NO TOUCH, 1 DECK and SINGLE CARD REVELATION AT PREDETERMINED POSITION) in the printed record is silly. It does not exist. Find one and I'll cut you $250.00 on the spot. (once only). I certainly do not have at my disposal the team which did the research for Ben and up to a few days ago, from my own experience could not think of an effect that combined all the elements raised. • 100% no touch • 1 deck • Singled card revelation • At a predetermined point. I was at a friend’s home discussing the Crossroads effect and in broad terms to keep the method secret a variation of the effect which allows the performer to name the predetermined position without hearing the card being named aloud. From his magic library he showed me a treatise on Equivoque called Orbis Ardentis by Alain Bellon. The author goes into great detail as to what he regards as the strengths and weaknesses of the equivoque process. To illustrate his approach he chose one of his effects called “Destiny’s Choice”. I shall summarise the main points of the effect. The performer hands a deck of cards to the spectator. Only 1 deck of cards is used for the entire effect. Having handed the deck to the spectator the performer does not touch the deck again until the completion of the effect. This is 100% accurate As with Crossroads the deck is made up of normal cards. When I first read Mr Bellon’s effect, what surprised me the most was that the 1st principle used in creating the Crossroads deck is applied in the Destiny deck. The total number of cards in the deck, the number of cards not relevant and how the deck is set to minimise the possibility of the spectator bring the effect to an unhappy ending way before the conclusion of the trick. The Destiny effect continues with the spectator thinking of a card by creating an imaginary card in their mind in two stages. They create a value and they create a suit and the combination of both forms the card. The Destiny effect uses principle 2 from the Crossroads effect, namely equivoque. Lumberjohn made a point earlier that he felt the equivoque used with Crossroads was not taking the principle forward. Having considered both effects IMHO, the process with Destiny is more subtle and sophisticated by making a personal connection between the spectator and the choices they make whist creating their card. The spectator with the thought of card locked in their mind opens the card box and removes the deck. They are asked to count the cards face up onto the table and to stop when they see their card. The spectator counts all the cards and ends up stopping when the count is 51, without his card turning up, immediately suggesting that of the 52 possible cards, the only one missing is his card which he has yet to name. The performer asks the spectator to name his card, they say the four of spades. The performer reaches into his jacket pocket and removes a sealed envelope and places on the table. The spectator opens the envelope and a single card is removed facedown and revealed by the spectator to be the four of spades. The performer at the beginning can state the predetermined point where his prediction will be, that is in a sealed envelope in his jacket or wallet etc. Both effects have the same exact number of options from which to make the revelation. As a person who spends a substantial amount of time creating effects, particularly with subtle principles or combinations of ideas, I do find the similarities between the two effects very striking. Before I am attacked by the devotees of the Crossroads effect, I want to say I like the effect, so much so that I wrote to Ben with a variation , he wrote back that he loved it and could I write it up in full for a Crossroads update, which I will do when my day jobs is less manic. A question was raised “Is there an effect that meets the requirements in print already” In my opinion there is, “Destiny’s Choice “ but this is my opinion and others are free to disagree. Best regards Andy |
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Hello everyone
I refer to the quote Ben wrote on the thread earlier to Lumberjohn You don't think we've considered them? This was researched back to the 1930's. My research team reads like a who's who. 100's of methods including all the current ones (and those only available to the inner circle) have been considered. So, the concept of looking for BETTER versions of Crossroads (the ENTIRE COMBINED EFFECT WITH 100% NO TOUCH, 1 DECK and SINGLE CARD REVELATION AT PREDETERMINED POSITION) in the printed record is silly. It does not exist. Find one and I'll cut you $250.00 on the spot. (once only). I certainly do not have at my disposal the team which did the research for Ben and up to a few days ago, from my own experience could not think of an effect that combined all the elements raised. • 100% no touch • 1 deck • Singled card revelation • At a predetermined point. I was at a friend’s home discussing the Crossroads effect and in broad terms to keep the method secret a variation of the effect which allows the performer to name the predetermined position without hearing the card being named aloud. From his magic library he showed me a treatise on Equivoque called Orbis Ardentis by Alain Bellon. The author goes into great detail as to what he regards as the strengths and weaknesses of the equivoque process. To illustrate his approach he chose one of his effects called “Destiny’s Choice”. I shall summarise the main points of the effect. The performer hands a deck of cards to the spectator. Only 1 deck of cards is used for the entire effect. Having handed the deck to the spectator the performer does not touch the deck again until the completion of the effect. This is 100% accurate As with Crossroads the deck is made up of normal cards. When I first read Mr Bellon’s effect, what surprised me the most was that the 1st principle used in creating the Crossroads deck is applied in the Destiny deck. The total number of cards in the deck, the number of cards not relevant and how the deck is set to minimise the possibility of the spectator bring the effect to an unhappy ending way before the conclusion of the trick. The Destiny effect continues with the spectator thinking of a card by creating an imaginary card in their mind in two stages. They create a value and they create a suit and the combination of both forms the card. The Destiny effect uses principle 2 from the Crossroads effect, namely equivoque. Lumberjohn made a point earlier that he felt the equivoque used with Crossroads was not taking the principle forward. Having considered both effects IMHO, the process with Destiny is more subtle and sophisticated by making a personal connection between the spectator and the choices they make whist creating their card. The spectator with the thought of card locked in their mind opens the card box and removes the deck. They are asked to count the cards face up onto the table and to stop when they see their card. The spectator counts all the cards and ends up stopping when the count is 51, without his card turning up, immediately suggesting that of the 52 possible cards, the only one missing is his card which he has yet to name. The performer asks the spectator to name his card, they say the four of spades. The performer reaches into his jacket pocket and removes a sealed envelope and places on the table. The spectator opens the envelope and a single card is removed facedown and revealed by the spectator to be the four of spades. The performer at the beginning can state the predetermined point where his prediction will be, that is in a sealed envelope in his jacket or wallet etc. Both effects have the same exact number of options from which to make the revelation. As a person who spends a substantial amount of time creating effects, particularly with subtle principles or combinations of ideas, I do find the similarities between the two effects very striking. Before I am attacked by the devotees of the Crossroads effect, I want to say I like the effect, so much so that I wrote to Ben with a variation , he wrote back that he loved it and could I write it up in full for a Crossroads update, which I will do when my day jobs is less manic. A question was raised “Is there an effect that meets the requirements in print already” In my opinion there is, “Destiny’s Choice “ but this is my opinion and others are free to disagree. Best regards Andy |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Andy, I am happy that you have included what you consider proof that this effect has not existed before.
However you fail to realize that the method has existed YEARS prior to what this effect has incorporated. Be Honest. Is it new or is it a variation of old concepts. And please Greg, and others do not contribute to the hype that goes on here, PLEASE!!
Magic is a vanishing art.
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Edh
I did not comment on whether the method existed years prior rather , a question was asked did a similar effect in print exist. Andy |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2009-10-11 18:11, a brown 1968 wrote: Andy, very well compared. Quote:
On 2009-10-11 18:11, a brown 1968 wrote: Now what P.S. I have 'Orbis Ardentis' by Alain Bellon.
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Hello Ustaad
Thank you for you comment .. I am a little suprised how quite it has been in response to my thread . I had expected a harsh reception . Having looked at both yourself Ustaad do you think my conclusion is reasonable?? Andy |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Hi Andy,
I would say, your comparison of the two effects has been very meticulous & to the point. You have done your homework well and brought out the salient facts to light. In my above post I have (once again!) highlighted the significant facts brought out by you. I now await the card pundits to voice their opinion. Narendra
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
I have nothing but respect for Andy's research. Good on ya Andy. I appreciate your feedback and ideas.
Is Narenda trying to stir up a shyte-fight or something (again!). Ben
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2009-10-13 17:40, Ben Harris wrote: (again!) How come you assume that I am trying to stir up a shyte-fight or something? And with whom? Andy brought out straight facts between the two effects and I agreed (and so do you - presumably!?) with Andy. Possibly you & Alain Bellon came up with almost ditto same effect independently.
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PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
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On 2009-10-13 22:09, Ustaad wrote: but who was the first ?? bellon ?? if that is so then mr.harris excellent crossroads is NOT a previously unexplored concept which seemed to be the major remark going on in this thread still a good effect though |
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Mark Jones New user 48 Posts |
Has anyone tried devil's peek? I'm curious about this application for the crossroads deck.
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Rpascual Special user USA 667 Posts |
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On 2009-10-14 14:09, Mark Jones wrote: I think it is still on pre-order at the site? |
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
Hi guys,
The Double Faced and Devil's Peek Sets will be with our distributor at the end of the week. Your fave store (bricks and mortar, or cyber) will have them next week. All our direct orders will ship BY AIRMAIL on Tuesday the 20th of October. Cheers Ben
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
So...who gets the $250.00?...Andy or Alain?
Magic is a vanishing art.
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PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
Judging from ben Harris skipping of some posts ... Alain should be the winner
hence why the all thing is conveniently not brought up anymore ... it hurts the ego pride AND the pockets |
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