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Tom Bartlett
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On 2009-07-12 12:11, Whit Haydn wrote:


If the victim feels like he is being cheated, what can he do? It is six to one. Everyone around him will agree with the dealer, and if there is trouble, the vic gets the worst of it.
Ain’t that the truth!
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On 2009-07-12 12:11, Whit Haydn wrote:
That is magicians thinking. None of those things can be caught.

You are forgetting the nature of the game and the control that the gang has over the one vic.

The Three-Card Monte can't be switched after the bet is made without a fight.

If the victim at the shell game feels like he is being cheated, what can he do? It is six to one. Everyone around him will agree with the dealer, and if there is trouble, the vic gets the worst of it.


Actually, that is con artists thinking as well!

I spoke with a couple of guys in Paris who said they prefer the monte to shells for the reasons I mentioned.
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That's very interesting! I imagine if you always have someone there to place a high bet on the wrong card anytime a mark catches the hype, then the monte would make for cleaner playing.

I've absolutely NO real idea about this though...but it's an insightful thought to be sure.
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Magicians could learn from the con artists for sure. I’m thinking about how a magical performance could be enhanced if we had 3 to 4 “anonymous helpers” in the audience working with us at all times, opens up some interesting ideas.




Tom, I like your quote

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Coming in late, and I don't have much time, but I will just say that even if there is only one player (say, me), and 4 or 5 marks, no sticks, it's still a con from the get go. The marks might get the right top or card, and they might bet, but they will never do both at the same time. If they have the right top or card they will simply not be allowed to bet for one reason or another. Of course that frustrates them so much they can't wait to bet the next time Smile

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I recall in his book Games You Can't Win (companion to his bar bet book Games You Can't Lose), Harry Anderson stated flatly that 3CM and the shell game were scans, not games. As for card switching not being feasible, Whit, what are we to make of Harry's hilarious story of the guy with the staple gun? (I know, it sounds apocryphal).
by the way, I'm in the process of going through School for Scoundrel's phenomenally great, clear DVD 1. It's great fun. I had the honor of being a spectator ("mark") at a lecture Bob Sheets gave at our magic club, and was, of course, the recipient of a sudden, unexpected bear hug - at the appropriate (predestined) moment. You have to buy the DVD to find out about the Sheets hugs - which are a riot.
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