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On 2009-07-26 16:19, McAllisterMagic wrote:
I'm broke, I have lived happily thus far even though no income has been coming in.

it's the little things in life that are most important. John Lennon's song imagine is a perfect example of how we can live life without possessions.

Another perfect example is the book and film" Into the Wild"

Cheers
Francis McAllister


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Library....or he can be like the guy on my couch and let me pay for it.
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There is something to be said for the philosophy, although I'd never be ****ed to try it. The guy in the article betrays his own principles by sometimes house sitting for friends which is simple barter - he provides security in return for accomodation.

In 'The Prophet' Kahlil Gibrans prophet tells the people of the village who gather to learn from his wisdom before his departure that they should give freely as the tree in the forest gives of it's fruit to any who would have it, not to only those who have earnt or deserve it. A lot of hippy types seize on that and miss the point that the prophet has worked amongst the people in his time in the village. He has not just lain about smoking weed and living off the bounty of the land and other folks labour.

Ironically I know a lot of old hippies who are now very successful and astute businesspeople based on the what they learnt selling incense or hippy crafts or organic produce at markets when they dropped out of the consumer society ratrace.

And reading between the lines of the article I wondered if with this particular guy it was so much about money - or more that he's a bit of a recluse and needs lots of space from other people. Even the friends he talks about in the article, he seems to spend very brief time with.
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I'm with you Destiny, it isn't a good example of what the article is touted to be. I remember in Silicon Valley a few years ago they found a guy living in your basic homeless camp (the weather is pretty good year round so you can survive outside) with a major difference than most. He had tied into the power line, which is how they found him, to run his thousands and thousands of dollars worth of computer systems. He spent all his money (he did work) on the computers. They also found guys living in the buildings they worked in. At my old company we had guys who lived a few hundred miles away who lived on the property, either unknown or ignored by the bosses, during the work week. We had showers, a Café, all that. One guy even drilled a hole into the wall of my warehouse to run power to his camper, I didn't rat him out though. Note that none of them lived without money though.
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On 2009-07-23 21:10, landmark wrote:
One person's story and ethics of living without money here. Kind of fascinating.

Jack


Q:Is it possible to have a woman with no money?? (in America)
A: No

Source: http://www.nomarriage.com/ Is this website for real?

MagicSanta please share your wisdom.
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On 2009-07-26 20:11, MagicSanta wrote:
The missing last lyrics of Imagine by John Lennon:

The reality is I'm loaded....
much better off than you....
and if you don't like it...
all I can say is F you....

In fact I'm rolling in money....
yes and Yoko too
we ride around in limo's
once again F you....



LOL!
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Stone, thank you for reading in with the melody of the song in mind.
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On 2009-07-26 04:35, stoneunhinged wrote:
Who was it that said, "It cost a fortune to keep Ghandi in poverty."? Ghandi's lifestyle was notoriously strange and very expensive. But he had sworn off material wealth.


google--" Sarojini Naidu once said it cost the nation a fortune to keep Gandhi living in poverty. "


what was strange about it? how expensive? drop some knowledge on me jeff. (a serious question)
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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On 2009-07-26 16:19, McAllisterMagic wrote:
I'm broke, I have lived happily thus far even though no income has been coming in.

it's the little things in life that are most important. John Lennon's song imagine is a perfect example of how we can live life without possessions.

Another perfect example is the book and film" Into the Wild"

Cheers
Francis McAllister


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I don't, I love my libary card Smile
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On 2009-07-26 16:19, McAllisterMagic wrote:
I'm broke, I have lived happily thus far even though no income has been coming in.

it's the little things in life that are most important. John Lennon's song imagine is a perfect example of how we can live life without possessions.

Another perfect example is the book and film" Into the Wild"

Cheers
Francis McAllister


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I don't, I love my libary card Smile
From looking at the times you have posted, you are not being honest about your internet connection.
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Today I find myself searching randomly through the posts of the magic Café and I come upon this one - Living without Money... is it possible?

Who know for sure, but the mention of Paul Harris and his experiments caught my eye.

Rizzo said:

"Read an interesting article 2 years back with Paul Harris giving a large sum of money to a 'person" in the street and going on the road virtually broke. Interesting read"

Magic magazine of June 2007 featured an interview of Paul Harris by his friend Eric Mead... It was most interesting to read about him and his itinerant approach to life and magic. Previous to reading this article the only other reference I came across, re: Paul Harris the wanderer, was in the David Blaine book 'Mysterious Stranger' and after reading it was intrigued to learn more!

Others have spoken about his mysterious ways and I have found a few articles on the net and here at the Café, but I'm not certain one could really live without money for extended periods - even buddhists are funded by the generosity of other kind souls' donations, but it's an interesting thought just the same.

Thanks for the link to the website and reminding me of the Paul Harris approach to life, I too have read the book 'Into the Wild' but have never seen the film... maybe I will now. By the way, I'd recommend all magicians read the Paul Harris Magic magazine interview and article, it helped me re-examine my own approach to magic!

Socrates

'Render to Reality what is Reality and render to illusion what is illusion' - from the 'Living without money' site Smile

p.s After reading this thread I came across the Kahlil Gibran book 'The Prophet' on my bedroom floor - coincidental perhaps?
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Someone wise once told me, "You never miss money you give to a good cause" I usually find this to be true.

I don't think you can live in a city without money unless you are a parasite and/or a thief... Which I suppose means you can. If you are a panhandler, then you are not living without money, you just have a job that relies on others.

Living as a hermit out in the boonies is very possible. Living off the land without a cent can be done and has been done. The problem here is that humans are social animals and living in isolation can make you nuts. Also what will you do for clothes? Make animal skin clothing like our ancestors did.

Remember, humans have existed on Earth for more than 10,000 years. Money is a concept that is only a few thousand years old.

Yes, it could be done.
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There are still primitive tribes and nomads that live without money. There are even hermits who would rather live off the land than have money or even social contact of any kind.

Bartering is a legitimate means of subsistence, as it is a direct exchange of goods for services rendered. Unfortunately, the IRS loves to tax that as well!
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On 2009-07-26 20:11, MagicSanta wrote:
The missing last lyrics of Imagine by John Lennon:

The reality is I'm loaded....
much better off than you....
and if you don't like it...
all I can say is F you....

In fact I'm rolling in money....
yes and Yoko too
we ride around in limo's
once again F you....

They decided to keep that part out because people were falling for the image ol' John was selling.


Does being rich mean he can't sing about world peace?
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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I take it you never heard the recordings of Johns comments between songs at recording sessions? Let's just say he was not the peace loving, female supporting, common man that he projected to the public. So of course he can sing about world peace, it sells and seems you were buyin'.
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I guess I missed some of it. Sure John was a 50's street tough, but that doesn't mean he wasn't serious about what he sang!
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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On 2009-07-30 03:10, McAllisterMagic wrote:
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On 2009-07-26 21:40, RobertSmith wrote:
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On 2009-07-26 16:19, McAllisterMagic wrote:
I'm broke, I have lived happily thus far even though no income has been coming in.

it's the little things in life that are most important. John Lennon's song imagine is a perfect example of how we can live life without possessions.

Another perfect example is the book and film" Into the Wild"

Cheers
Francis McAllister


How do you pay for internet access?

I don't, I love my libary card Smile


This is a joke right? OTHER people pay for that library. Ahh never mind.

As for John Lennon, it was a song titled IMAGINE. It was not in any way blueprint. If it was Yoko would be eating cats right now. Where do you think they got all the drugs from? Why do you think they sold tickets, and everything? MONEY.

Is it possible for one person to sponge off of society? Probably. not sure what sort of life it would be but I suppose one person could. Could EVERYONE do it? Probably not.

As for true socialist society/world working. I have yet to see examples, though they may exist outside my view.

So yea ONE could live without his OWN money, but not easily without others. There is a great charector in Carl Hiassen novels called Skink. Read "Sick Puppy" I think he is in that one. Former gov. from Florada ran out of the office and into the Everglades. He needs no money.
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Well, as far as the OP goes...we're about to find out. :-(
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I think the people in Hiassen could live anywhere, without anything, forever
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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On 2009-07-24 14:27, Destiny wrote:
Not that we have either here but perhaps bloated two day dead roo would work with the same seasonings.


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