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Floyd Collins
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I had a discussion last night with fellow local magi and we debated doing a Half Dyed silk routine then going into a sucker silk to egg routine both as teach a trick. Every reason we came up with not too we had two more reasons why it was a good idea. So this got me thinking, why couldn’t I do the two effects back to back as teach a trick routines. My hard fast rule for parlor is no more than one sucker trick, yet if done back to back using virtually the same prop made me start thinking that my rule could be broken in this case.
So what are your thoughts on this, anyone care to chime in or if you have done these back to back how does it play out.

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Whit Haydn (now Pops Haydn) is very successful with an entire act premised around the concept that magic is more fun when you know how to do it it and each routine has a teaching component. so it's not out of the realm....
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JNeal,
Thanks for your post, yes Pops has a very good routine for teach a trick, I have watched all his videos on YouTube and simply love his style with it. Yet not all his effects are sucker tricks. My debate with Dana my local friend is, doing sucker tricks with silks back to back.
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Please, guys. It is "Pop" Haydn. "Pops" is Walter Brennan in "To Have and to Have Not." Smile

I don't think it is a good idea to combine two sucker tricks in a routine.

The Half-Dyed Hank is so complete in itself, and any additions would be anticlimatic and confuse the effect. There would be way too much duplication of actions like poking the silk into the hand.

If you would describe the effect from a spectator's point of view--what they will remember afterwards, you will see how complicated and confusing such a thing could be...

In my "Teaching Act," there is only one sucker trick. Each trick in the act is "taught," but the theme is carried out in a totally different manner each time.

Two sucker tricks with the same premise back to back is a little much, in my opinion, and in general, the rule is that one would only want to do one "sucker effect" in any one show, and one should never open with a sucker effect. You would have to have a defensible reason for wanting to violate these rules.
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I agree with Whit, it is more effective to limit it to just one sucker routine at a time.

However, there can still be some form of blendo to follow.

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Floyd Collins
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Hey thanks guys, I agree with you both, but Dana propose some very good points to me and got me thinking. We did lean towed the blendo factor as we concluded our debate about it.

So I started debating with myself on this and came up with one possible way to achieve the blendo.

start the routine with half dyed, end up with a half red half white silk.
state - Ok now to show you the trick I was going to show you to start with before my silk got all messed up.
Go from half dyed to producing egg.
Do the teach a trick showing two half dyed silks.
End with the egg being real

I think you get the idea, but still you would be using two silks for the half dyed one red and one white, then two of the same half dyed silks for the egg.

I Don't know if that would work I know it can be done but not sure the impact or if it would distract from the effect...

My thoughts are it is not needed, but it makes one wonder how well this would play out.

BTW Sorry Pop hehe

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After having their chains jerked three or more times in the McComb routine, I don't think they are going to believe a word you say about the method for the egg trick.
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Pop, yeah I agree good point.. To much is to much!!!
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It is good to have all three routines available (Color-Changing Hank, Half Dyed Hank, and Silk to Egg) to do. That way, you can switch routines for a repeat audience, and at least have a new and surprising opening effect.
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I found it is more of stuffing a silk through your hand that some audience members seem to get dislike. I have had audience members yell out, "not more stuffing in your hand again!" Strange, but it has happened to me twice.

Other have said to me after the show, you are really good at sleight of hand, I did not catch you at all.

Just my experience with preforming similar effect back to back.
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On Jan 23, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I found it is more of stuffing a silk through your hand that some audience members seem to get dislike. I have had audience members yell out, "not more stuffing in your hand again!" Strange, but it has happened to me twice.

Other have said to me after the show, you are really good at sleight of hand, I did not catch you at all.

Just my experience with preforming similar effect back to back.


Agree with Bills comment....once is enough for this type of effect..Think of it from the audience point of view not yours...
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