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WingChun
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Can anyone give a review of the Mikame Cups?
Bill Palmer gave some fine tips in another post. However I'd like to get more details, maybe from someone who is using them. Thanks to everyone.
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Pete Biro posted this not long back...
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=115

a search of cupscon revelaed this...
http://www.cupscon.com/index.php/topic,367.0.html
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Thanks Mind! Good info through the links You gave. I still look for someone who's actually using the cups in their performances, who has these cups worked on the "battle field". Any info will be welcomed. Thank You.
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I don't mean to sound picky or rude; however, there are terms that I don't really like to see in posts about magic. These are terms like "arsenal, weapon" and others that might indicate an adversarial relationship with our audiences.

"Strategy" doesn't bother me, because strategy, itself, can apply to so many different things, other than warfare. But "battle field" leaps out at me as being rather strong.

I'm not trying to pick on you, Wing Chun, but I think that if you believe that you are performing on a battlefield you will have a different view of what you are trying to do for your audience.

About the Mikame cups -- specifically what kind of things do you want to know?
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Hi Bill,
I'm sorry for the words I used but I didn't mean to offend anyone or hurt anyone's sensibility through what may seem a brute language. Please, consider my country language is not English and perhaps the literal translation sounds quite rude. I apologige for this with any Café member that has read my post.
What acutally I wanted to know if there's any cups' performer out there who's using this cups, so to detail any pro and con: things (and feelings) that come from the intensive use of a magical apparatus. That's all. Thanks to everyone. Giuseppe.
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That's okay. As a matter of fact, it's a very common kind of expression that magicians use without even thinking about it.

I'm still curious about the specific kind of thing you want to know. I'll list a few:

1) stacking
2) balance
3) weight
4) moves that work well with them.

Are these the kinds of things you are interested in?
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Thank You Bill both for Your annswer and Your understanding. Yes, You've focused four points I'm interested in. With regards to these points, how do they compare to the Johsonson Cups, for example?
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They are smaller and lighter than the Johnson cups. The balance is good. They stack well, with only a slight amount of wobble.

The balls that are supplied are a bit light, as is the case with most Mikame cups; however, they are easy to work with.

The elevator move works well with these cups. The three ball nest is also easy with them.
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Thank you Bill, very good tips. I own the Johnson Cups and maybe Mikame could be a nice addition. Even considering the lighter characteristics of these cups, they seem a good set to work with. Again, thank you. Giuseppe.
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They are not uncomfortably light. I don't think you would have a problem with them. You would have to use a smaller load, though.
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Bill, While we are on the topic I'd like to hear your opinion of Balance.

Sorry to return to weapons again but. articles and books on knife throwing start by saying that the knife must have a good balance. But they don't describe what is meant by it. All they, and many others who use the term seem to mean is that the object must have a center of gravity. Most do. Anything else?

Apart from being too light I can't see any other aspect of cup balance mattering, unless you are doing Columbini's Can Can move (what a show). Then top heavy or otherwise will make a difference.

I would have pm'd you with this but your comments are useful to everyone. As for >18391 posts, I think you should get out more. All the best.

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One of the advantages of retirement is that I can spend time at the computer without it detracting from any necessary activities.

Regarding balance -- I am somewhat familiar with many of the books on knife throwing. I used to have three Tru-Bal throwing knives that were made by Harry McEvoy. I never put in the time to learn how to throw them right, though.

The main thing with cup balance is that the center of gravity should be somewhere near the vertical center of the cup, or just below it. Some of the traditional designs don't have this. You can tell where the cup balances by tossing it into the air and giving it a spin. It will spin around its center of gravity.

These cups http://69.89.31.132/~cupsandb/museum/showCup.php?id=1437 are definitely mouth heavy!
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Wow! mouth heavy alright! I wouldn't go throwing them either, I don't think I'd like to be hit by one!
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What I look for in cup balance is a heavy saddle. If I want to turn the cups mouth upward with the wand, or roll the cup back, I need a well balanced cup that is bottom heavy.
Of course, one of the greatest benefits of a bottom heavy or saddle heavy cup is what happens if you drop it! It is much better for the long term life of your cup if it hit the floor on its saddle side than on its mouth side. Mouth beads dent, even crack (I've seen this happen with older brass cups) or if the cup is a lighter guage of metal, you can even knock the cup out of round if it hits the floor mouth side down.
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On Aug 12, 2009, Donnie Buckley wrote:
What I look for in cup balance is a heavy saddle. If I want to turn the cups mouth upward with the wand, or roll the cup back, I need a well balanced cup that is bottom heavy.
Of course, one of the greatest benefits of a bottom heavy or saddle heavy cup is what happens if you drop it! It is much better for the long term life of your cup if it hit the floor on its saddle side than on its mouth side. Mouth beads dent, even crack (I've seen this happen with older brass cups) or if the cup is a lighter guage of metal, you can even knock the cup out of round if it hits the floor mouth side down.


From day one I made sure all our cups were top heavy for that very reason, that was something people knew that's how I made our cups.

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