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Greg, I do wish you were more involved, BUT my understanding is that the men and women are risking life and limb so that you are ALLOWED not to be involved. I may not think you are right not to be involved, but you are certainly entitled.
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On 2009-08-13 11:48, Regan wrote:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics1.asp

That link was sent to me buy a friend of mine.



If you go to http://www.mediaresearch.org and read their "about" tab, you will see

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The mission of the Media Research Center, "America's Media Watchdog," is to bring balance to the news media. Leaders of America's conservative movement have long believed that within the national news media a strident liberal bias existed that influenced the public's understanding of critical issues. On October 1, 1987, a group of young determined conservatives set out to not only prove — through sound scientific research — that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values, but also to neutralize its impact on the American political scene. What they launched that fall is the now acclaimed — Media Research Center (MRC).


This is clearly a report with an agenda. I'd seek a second opinion.

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On 2009-08-13 01:22, Mick Ayres wrote:
Your first paragraph is true for CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and MSNBC as well. We all know the media reports opinion far more than just the facts. Give it a rest, Gaddy.


It seems that quite a few people here cannot separate news from opinions...


Yes and it seems as if you are one of them LOL.

I like the way people think a FACT is an opinion they agree with!!! Cool.
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By the way I have over the years found few things ol Al did entertaining. Simply not my style of comedy is all.
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On 2009-08-13 12:57, Dannydoyle wrote:
My understanding is that the men and women are risking life and limb so that you are ALLOWED not to be involved
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But is your understanding correct? It's my understanding, that the men and women risking life and limb are, right now, sad to say, making things worse off for Americans and much of the rest of the world, despite what they may genuinely and nobly feel.

But I agree, there is no such thing as not being political. That in itself is a political stance.

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On 2009-08-13 11:48, Regan wrote:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics1.asp

That link was sent to me buy a friend of mine.

It may be from a study from a conservative organization, I don't know. However, I think it is clear that the mainstream media is slanted toward the left. Of course Fox is not, but how long have they been around? Espeically compared to most of the other news organizations that were mentioned earlier?.

I'm not taking sides but rather joining in on this discussion for the sake of my own curiousty. I used to wonder why the media seemed to have such a liberal slant, and how it came to be in the first place. I think that the universities in America are one of the biggest reasons. I believe most journalists are being taught that way.

Here is a link about it. I know nothing about this particular organization either, but it does make sense to me.

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2......2_5.html

From it's web page, "Accuracy in Academia" appears to be a lobby group based in Washington D.C. ... and its "bookstore" features 'non-partisan' items like Bush riding / breaking a donkey, 'i'd rather be hunting with cheney than riding with ted kennedy' bumper stickers, a book on Clinton scandals ...
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On 2009-08-13 12:57, Dannydoyle wrote:
Greg, I do wish you were more involved, BUT my understanding is that the men and women are risking life and limb so that you are ALLOWED not to be involved. I may not think you are right not to be involved, but you are certainly entitled.


I wish the words you spoke were true. I know for generations we are taught to believe those things, but most of the time we are sheep being led by those above us for their gains... not ours.

I don't blame or dislike people for believing those things the same way I don't blame those that are in cults and are brainwashed into believing certain things. I do feel pity and sorrow. I do wish that I could wave a real magic wand and give them a tabula rasa to work with. But I can't do that so I choose not to drink their Kool-aid... not to march in their parades... etc.

I know the point was made above using statistics. It's curious that you could probably get those same high statistics from countries and people that you either don't believe in or hate if you were to ask them if they are in the right also.

History has shown us time and time again that large groups of people can believe in either really bad things or things that are just plain wrong. I don't blame the masses for being indoctrinated. The guys above are really good at what they do.

Listen, I know I will not change anything here. I can see and read already the thinking behind the statements. I don't think I could use words, or even actions, to change something that has been drilled into someone year in and year out. If you take a child and tell him on a daily basis, "Red is blue, up is down, black is white, etc" then you can't be surprised if as an adult he sees it that way... and believes it to his core. I can't blame that person. They are the victims of a social experiment that went all too well.

I'll leave this thread now so you guys can go on about what is right and wrong and what everyone should do to make a perfect world because I know you truly believe you have the answers.

I will leave on link. I still believe this scene tells more truth about the way the world worked back then and still works today... unfortunately:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk&feature=related

Take care, guys & gals. I wish you well in your battles. I hope the best for you and please try to keep the casualties to a minimum.

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On 2009-08-13 12:58, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2009-08-13 11:48, Regan wrote:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics1.asp

That link was sent to me buy a friend of mine.



If you go to http://www.mediaresearch.org and read their "about" tab, you will see

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The mission of the Media Research Center, "America's Media Watchdog," is to bring balance to the news media. Leaders of America's conservative movement have long believed that within the national news media a strident liberal bias existed that influenced the public's understanding of critical issues. On October 1, 1987, a group of young determined conservatives set out to not only prove — through sound scientific research — that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values, but also to neutralize its impact on the American political scene. What they launched that fall is the now acclaimed — Media Research Center (MRC).


This is clearly a report with an agenda. I'd seek a second opinion.

John



http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:0u-......ie=UTF-8


This is a bit interesting, when you consider it in conjunction with the fact that the difference in Obama voters and McCain voters was about 7%.
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Part of the problem is that "liberal" and "conservative" are not co-extensive with "Democrat" and "Republican". And they are certainly distinct from "Obama" and "McCain".

So what counts as a "liberal bias" or a "conservative bias"?

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I just did my map and was informed that Louisiana Purchase is not a state and that including 'unexplored territory' for 80% of Africa was now wrong.
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On 2009-08-13 14:14, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Part of the problem is that "liberal" and "conservative" are not co-extensive with "Democrat" and "Republican". And they are certainly distinct from "Obama" and "McCain".

So what counts as a "liberal bias" or a "conservative bias"?

John


While that's certainly true, I think it's a bit disingenuous to act as if that's a refutation of the link I posted. Is it a 1-to-1 correspondence? Of course not. But if you polled self-identified "liberals" and "conservatives" and asked who they voted for, I think we both know we'd see a strong correlation.
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For some, the last election was Republicans against Democrats but to tell the truth I could not see a lot of difference between the ones running in the primary.

My vote in the last election was an opposition vote, to an ideology not a political candidate and I think in many cases it was like that for others, even if they voted for the other candidate.

One thing for certain the conservatives do not shy away from or try to hide who they are, I can’t say that for the liberals.
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On 2009-08-13 14:14, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Part of the problem is that "liberal" and "conservative" are not co-extensive with "Democrat" and "Republican". And they are certainly distinct from "Obama" and "McCain".

So what counts as a "liberal bias" or a "conservative bias"?

John


While that's certainly true, I think it's a bit disingenuous to act as if that's a refutation of the link I posted. Is it a 1-to-1 correspondence? Of course not. But if you polled self-identified "liberals" and "conservatives" and asked who they voted for, I think we both know we'd see a strong correlation.


Disingenuous? I don't think so. The issue was ideological bias in reporting, I believe. One-off candidate endorsements are rather another matter.

BTW, notice from your link that the support on the previous presidential election was 213 for Kerry (51%) and 205 for Bush (49%). The actual election went 50.7% Bush, 48.3 Kerry. The popular results are unbelievably close to the actual election results. Do you believe that this indicates unbiased reporting in 2004?

I think you are being selective in your evidence.

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On 2009-08-13 18:38, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2009-08-13 14:14, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Part of the problem is that "liberal" and "conservative" are not co-extensive with "Democrat" and "Republican". And they are certainly distinct from "Obama" and "McCain".

So what counts as a "liberal bias" or a "conservative bias"?

John


While that's certainly true, I think it's a bit disingenuous to act as if that's a refutation of the link I posted. Is it a 1-to-1 correspondence? Of course not. But if you polled self-identified "liberals" and "conservatives" and asked who they voted for, I think we both know we'd see a strong correlation.


Disingenuous? I don't think so. The issue was ideological bias in reporting, I believe. One-off candidate endorsements are rather another matter.

BTW, notice from your link that the support on the previous presidential election was 213 for Kerry (51%) and 205 for Bush (49%). The actual election went 50.7% Bush, 48.3 Kerry. The popular results are unbelievably close to the actual election results. Do you believe that this indicates unbiased reporting in 2004?

I think you are being selective in your evidence.

John


I think that the 2004 results are evidence of a lack of bias, and I think that the 2008 results are evidence of the existence of bias. I don't think that either constitutes proof.

Do you think that there's no correlation between "liberal" and "supported Obama," or between "conservative" and "supported McCain"?
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[quote]On 2009-08-13 19:02, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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Do you think that there's no correlation between "liberal" and "supported Obama," or between "conservative" and "supported McCain"?


From what I can see in the American media, "liberal" and "conservative" are fairly empty labels, used more for one's enemies than for oneself.

It's not clear to me that Obama's supporters are greater advocates of liberty than are McCain's, and I don't see McCain's wanting to conserve existing privilege more than do Obama's.

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[quote]On 2009-08-13 19:13, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2009-08-13 19:02, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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Do you think that there's no correlation between "liberal" and "supported Obama," or between "conservative" and "supported McCain"?


From what I can see in the American media, "liberal" and "conservative" are fairly empty labels, used more for one's enemies than for oneself.

It's not clear to me that Obama's supporters are greater advocates of liberty than are McCain's, and I don't see McCain's wanting to conserve existing privilege more than do Obama's.

John


Sometimes I can't tell whether you're pulling my leg.

With respect to the purported liberal media bias, "liberal" has a connotation of certain positions with respect to various issues (in some combination and to various extents), such as;

* opposed to capital punishment
* in favor of legal abortion
* in favor of more gun control
* in favor of greater federal power in the government
* less prone to support military action

As opposed to, well, pretty much the opposite.

If by "greater advocates of liberty," you mean a Mill-ian "classical liberalism," or something more akin to libertarian, I agree completely that neither side is much closer to that ideal than the other. But that's not really what's being alleged with respect to "liberal bias."
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Wow, and to think this whole thread started about a guy drawing a US map by hand. Can you imagine the outrage it would have caused if he rewrote the Constitution backwards and while upside down! Smile

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Lobo, concerning the statistics you posted, I observe they only considered print media.

I wonder how would it change if one included non-print media, and also included talk shows and the candidates the hosts there endorsed?
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Wow, and to think this whole thread started about a guy drawing a US map by hand. Can you imagine the outrage it would have caused if he rewrote the Constitution backwards and while upside down! Smile

Greg

I know! Lol.
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Yeah exactly! This thread isn't about politics! It's about a guy who can draw a map of the US from memory and he just HAPPENS to be Al Franken. Who cares if it's not perfect! If you can't replicate the stunt he does you shouldn't criticize the accuracy. As much as I like debating politics, this isn't the thread for it.
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