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slyhand
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Wow, we have gotten hostile haven't we? Sorry I have riled you up so.

I suppose I am just an ignorant bumpkin.
I am sure if I do as you say I will be arrested and thrown into jail. Won't that make the headlines!
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Hostile? no. I am not riled up. Just trying to set things straight.

If the word ignorance is hostile to you, only you can change it. I can only try to help, like I did, by supplying you with more correct information.
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Then maybe we should warn the sellers of the Mismade Bill as well as Tango, Johnson and Sterling to name a few. We don't want them to get into hot water.
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One of the things that I love about The Magic Café' is how the most innocent of all posts can get turned into a war.

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Nah, no war.
I just think the gov has more on their hands than to ever prosecute someone who makes paper currency or coins unusable for spending. Unless of course its for illegal use such as counterfeiting and such.
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On 2009-08-16 18:22, restaurantmagician wrote:
Defacement of Currency
Blah, blah, blah... with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be blah, blah, blah..


Says to me that signing a bill is not considered defacement of currency.
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I think the KEY word here is "intent." If it is defaced with the "INTENT to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued," but who can prove your intent? As for signing the bill, and the fact that everyone spends bills with writing on them all the time.

Since we do not know, or have a say in what renders a bill "unfit to be reissued" how can we do something to a bill with the intent to do something to it that we do not know what that something IS.

Any who, I have heard the "law" interpreted as being meant to stop people from defacing bills to make them appear as a different value, like adding a "zero" on a $10. Of course this applies far more to American money than other countries where the money is of different colours.
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I wonder what "reissued" is supposed to mean?

A counterfeiter certainly has the intent to "re-use" the bill after adding a few zeros, but what does "reissued" actually mean?
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One more thing. Destroying "their" currency is basically the same thing as taking it out of circulation. If I bury a bill or coin in my back yard it is the same thing as it being gone and that is certainly not illegal.

Our own gov wants us to not spend a certain amount but to save it and not put it into circulation. Why else would they make two dollar bills, state quarters, presidential dollar coins, Susan B's, and all the rest of "collectible" money?
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I know you may think I am nuts, so here is a little something for any who are interested in it.

http://www.castle.house.gov/News/Documen......D=107097
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Please disregard my post on another thread on how to cut mismade bills. It was all just theory on how I WOULD do it if I WERE going to do it.
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We won't tell. Promise.
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On 2009-08-18 07:47, slyhand wrote:
So are they saying if I take one of my own dollar bills and burn it up, I can get into trouble? I think not.


Only if you tried to reintroduce the burnt up bill into circulation. If you burn it up, you can't reintroduce it, can you?

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On 2009-08-19 18:42, Bill Palmer wrote:
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On 2009-08-18 07:47, slyhand wrote:
So are they saying if I take one of my own dollar bills and burn it up, I can get into trouble? I think not.


Only if you tried to reintroduce the burnt up bill into circulation. If you burn it up, you can't reintroduce it, can you?

Like Flo says in the Progressive Insurance commercial "If your mother won't let you drive, then you probably won't have an accident, right?"


The wording of the law seems to imply the exact opposite. If you burn it with the INTENT of PREVENT it from being able to be re-introduced, not to deface, or burn it, and TRY to re-introduce it.
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Whatever the wording, the chances of the gov doing anything to you is pretty much 0%.
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Once it's burnt, where's the evidence?
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It's worth mentioning that people write on bills all the time. In a typical retail scenario, all the $x bills are counted into a stack with the total written on the top bill. This prevents the counter from re-counting bill stacks and makes it easy to track down a mistake.

I had a client who worked for the federal reserve bank, and I have actually called the Secret Service to get clarification on counterfeit law (and I asked this question as well). The above is the answer I got both times. Basically when a bill that has been written on is found by a bank, it is taken out of circulation and replaced (the same thing happens when a bill gets worn out).

Interesting side-note:
If your paper currency is damaged beyond use (by fire, torn up etc) you can send it in for a replacement
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So the answer is... NO, you are not going to get into trouble writing, tearing, marking, burning, chewing or wiping your nose with American currency. At least not from the government anyway. Smile
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...and if you still have any doubts, buy one of those counterfeit detector pens and have people sign their name with it! Smile
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