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Maestro
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It depends if you have fraudulent intent or not
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On 2009-08-20 19:05, Maestro wrote:
It depends if you have fraudulent intent or not


Maybe in relation to writing on the bill, but that's not always the case.

Another interesting factoid I learned in my conversation is that if, for example, a convenience store receives a counterfeit bill and puts it up on the wall either as a reference for employees or something, then they are guilty of being in possession of counterfeit money.

Also, if a magician alters the serial number of a bill and gives it away, they are passing counterfeit money.

There was a case of this mentioned earlier in the thread, but I've never heard of a magician getting in trouble for it.

It's probably a pretty low risk thing to do, but that's where the law is at.
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The law says you can not do it. The only way you can get in trouble is if you are caught doing it. A secret service agent will have to see you do it. That has a very rare chance of occurring.

Just like speeding while driving. We will not get a ticket for speeding, unless a cop notices it.

(just to let you know I'm speaking in general)
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I'm putting together my list of effects for my walk around gig for a Secret Service cocktail party at the end of the month...

Fraud
Mis-made bill
Impossi-Bill Braid
Scotch and soda
Hopping Half
Biting a Quarter

and need a couple more to round it out.

Anyone? Smile
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On 2009-08-16 18:03, Nash wrote:
To sign a bill?
caz recently I came up with a trick involving signed bills. and now I have a bunch of tip money with signatures across the president's face.

just wanted to make sure. Which is why I ask magicians instead of the bank



Nash, that's the reason why we have the AUDIENCE sign the bills and NOT we the magicians ourselves.

But I do understand your concern, hmmm.....
Tell you what, save those defaced bills in an envelope and I'll drive down to help you dispose of them properly at O'Donnell's.

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No one seems to have a problem accepting defaced bills in the US. But if you take a defaced US bill to any European bank to exchange for German, Italian, or French money,they don't accept defaced US money. Why? I don't know.
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On 2009-08-25 07:02, msmaster wrote:
No one seems to have a problem accepting defaced bills in the US. But if you take a defaced US bill to any European bank to exchange for German, Italian, or French money,they don't accept defaced US money. Why? I don't know.


In light of the recent economy, we are probably lucky they take ANY US currency. Smile
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LOL... Now that's funny.

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This thread is now over.

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Don't worry about it. ITs for entertainment purposes. You can exchange it for a new one anyways. Should be your last concern
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I do enjoy making a joke about it. After they sign a bill, I take back the marker and say "Actually, the bill has nothing to do with the trick. I just wanted to see if you'd do that. It's illegal, that's why we used your name, and not mine."

Then, after the laugh, I comment that it's about the marker, and make it vanish. Essentially, the basic line about following the marker instead of the bill I "borrowed" from Carl Cloutier, but I threw in the bit about it being illegal, and using their name, not mine.

There's nothing like making your audience feel uncomfortably awkward mid performance Smile
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On 2009-08-24 17:34, BCaldwell wrote:
I'm putting together my list of effects for my walk around gig for a Secret Service cocktail party at the end of the month...

Fraud
Mis-made bill
Impossi-Bill Braid
Scotch and soda
Hopping Half
Biting a Quarter

and need a couple more to round it out.

Anyone? Smile


That gave me a good chuckle, thanks. Don't forget to bring your Quantum Bender! lol..
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Well, there goes my torn and restored bill bit.
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I would say bring it on..

if the US federal government wanted to prosecute you over a torn up bill, the publicity you would get would be fantastic!

I once was threatened by a guy whose watch I stole and gave it back to. he threatened to get the local tv onto me and call the police.

I would have loved to have that kind of exposure.

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I really don't think someone is going to go thru all that trouble to throw you in jail for signing a bill or changing a sn. If THEY do they need to get a life. haha just my two cents.

p.s. How you doing Nash haven't seen you in a while. Still going to the magic meetings?

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Actually the Federal Reserve is NOT a goverment branch or organazation as my friend always told me when he worked there.. He always complained how he wasnt a federal employee and there for never got the same benefit which he was alway s mad about...
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On 2009-08-18 07:24, aceofharts wrote:
I recall in the late 80s a magician charged for changing the SN on a bill, but the charges was later dropped.


I am familiar with this incident. There were never any charges filed. Once the magician's son, a lawyer, explained to the Secret Service people what the purpose of the bills was, the magician showed them the trick, and they were suitably amazed.

The fellow had left the bills out on his dresser, and the housekeeper saw them.
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I did a signed bill routine with the Prime Minister of Fiji one day. The Secret Service was with him the whole time (and watching me like hawks).

No issues.

Then again... they were too busy guarding him to worry about arresting a magician on a technicality.

I wouldn't worry about it!
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So how about those souvenir "coin cranks" into which you place a penny, and turn the crank, and it compresses and imprints into the metal an image of (insert any one of the Space Shuttle, The Golden Gate Bridge, The Empire State Building...)

This does deface it with the intent to render it non negotiable (since it really is not longer a penny, just a remolded hunk of metal that is the exact same weight and composition as a penny).

These machines are in tourist attractions all over. How would these be allowed under this regulation?

Just a little more inane fuel for a silly fire...
Dave



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On 2009-08-27 00:10, Doug Lippert wrote:
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On 2009-08-24 17:34, BCaldwell wrote:
I'm putting together my list of effects for my walk around gig for a Secret Service cocktail party at the end of the month...

Fraud
Mis-made bill
Impossi-Bill Braid
Scotch and soda
Hopping Half
Biting a Quarter

and need a couple more to round it out.

Anyone? Smile


That gave me a good chuckle, thanks. Don't forget to bring your Quantum Bender! lol..
In case anyone was wondering, the gig went great! Now I have a 5-10 year gig at a federal institution, where I'm working on my escape act...
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