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bahamagician Regular user 137 Posts |
Hi Guys,
A thought just occurred to me this morning. Have any of you ever played with the idea of utilizing a video or a powerpoint presentation during your pretalk? Do you think having the audience members see other people being hypnotized in a video gives your show a greater chance of success? What if instead of showing clips of audience members being put under hypnosis, you show clips of audience members giving testimonials about how much fun they had or how great they feel? Any thoughts? -=Chris |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Used properly I think this could be a wonderful idea. But I wouldn't over-do it. Perhaps a presentation for a few mintues, then you take to the stage and take over? That could work.
You don't want the presentation to become more important than you, so I would not over-rely on it. But I could see it working out well. In fact the only knock against it that I can see is that many hypnotists are lazy (I certainly speak for myself) and it is an extra bit to carry. But if you try it, let us know how it works out. Tony.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I don't see the point. Maybe on a website to sell shows or therapy - but you have already sold the show you are there doing it!!!
I can't think of a worst idea to start a show. you want to connect with the audience immediately. Even the best speakers will not use powerpoint it breaks the connection. And apart from that it really isn't necessarry. And it would feel like a sales presentation. Get out there and be outrageous, joke with the audience tame the hecklers and give them a good time. Leave power points for suits who don't know how to present properly. |
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
MP and I agree on something else. I have nothing to add to what was said excellently.....
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bahamagician Regular user 137 Posts |
Thanks for the input guys. This gives me a bit more to think about!
-=Chris |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
And along with Richard, I agree with MP, too. In fact, I agree on 2 levels.
First, for a show, what he said is perfect. I know there are some hypnotherapists who have videos of pretalks running in their waiting room or ask clients to watch the pretalk before the hypnotist arrives. I can see how this might save time in some sort of a "production line" outfit, but the ability to build rapport during the pretalk, IMO, outweighs saving five minutes by increasing the effectiveness of suggestions. Second, it is for good reason that PowerPoint presentations are often called "PowerPoint He11." Most presenters are clueless as to how to use such slides and presentations. If anyone is interested, I recommend the website http://www.presentationzen.com/ and the book "Presentation Zen" to give methods that make presentation exciting. The first rule for this is to ditch PowerPoint and change to Keynote. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I used to run a programme called hypnotic powerpoint. Then I dumped the powerpoint completely. Its not about flashy or exciting presentations. Its about changing peoples perceptions overcoming objections BEFORE they arise and getting them to buy in to your ideas services or products.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The only thing I would say is you are trying to build a relationship of trust with these people. With this, you remove yourself from the equasion and it is not necessary.
Would it work? Probably. I just think you cause yourself more work later. So in other words, I simply agree with the Punisher.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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RobertTemple Regular user Newcastle, UK 174 Posts |
The only way I use this is in bigger venues I have a screen which has my logo projected onto it. As my introduction plays (1.44 mins) I have a video playing which is a brilliantly edited combination of me putting my tie and waistcoat on in a dressing room, walking down a backstage corridor and to the edge of the stage. As the voiceover introduces me I walk onstage on the video and at the same time walk out of the wings. Mixed into this are grungey (with a grey and crackly effect) clips of me doing rapid fallback inductions on people in other venues.
Thanks to the fact that most people won't know what that particular venue's backstage area looks like this will pass as a live video feed mixed in with clips and I've had so many people ask me about it and how we do it. It works really well I've found. Oh and for the duration of the video clip I have words like "SLEEP!" and "RELAX!" and "DRIFTING!" flying up onto the screen for like a quarter of a second at a time... basically this is just for my own entertainment as I know a tiny percentage of the audience will spot this and think that it does something subliminally haha. It's just for those people. LOL. Just my thoughts! RT http://www.School-Of-Hypnosis.com http://www.ComedyHypnosis.co.uk |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I am sorry to disagree with most of you guys here (believe that if you like) but Rob has shown that Powerpoint can be used in building up to your appearance. Derren Brown used something similar before his Evening of Wonders show. The audience loved it.
We all know how important our intro music is in setting an atmosphere. Powerpoint could be a visual enhancement of that, and would work very well. Unfortunately I am not computer-literate so it is unlikely to form part of my show, but I can see and appreciate how this appoach might work.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Tony wait a second here you are moving off topic and so is Robert.
The question spoke of the PRE TALK, not your introduction to the stage. Your intro to the stage is 100% different. I have found that this is why it is almost impossible to have an intelligent discussion about hypnosis and the performance of it. People do not read questions. During an introduction it is another thing completly. I think it would be a good way to build anticipation, and a way to start modeling behavior if you will. (show them what is expected for those who do not believe in hypnosis in the discussion) I would not worry so much about the words, but more concentrate on the pictures you use. If you like to slump them forward, show lots of shots of people slumping that way. If you like them leaning on each other, show that. In the mind of the audience it tells them if they volunteer, THAT is what will happen to them. This is exactly what I used when I did the show in Branson with a full theater set up. It can be done in the right comedy club setting as well. But lets be clear, this is NOT THE PRETALK, it is the introduction. In the PRETALK I think I still agree 100% with MP.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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RobertTemple Regular user Newcastle, UK 174 Posts |
I totally agree with everyone so far basically. I had read the original question which is why I said that the closest thing that I use to the original post was what I then described.
Unfortunately I see no need for it during the pre-talk.. just feels like its turning into some sort of lecture or seminar then.. surely? Danny makes a hugely valid point regarding the idea of using photographs and clips to make important suggestions for the show. Just to finish my point (back to the pre-show introduction for a minute). The only other thing I would suggest is to avoid powerpoint even for the introduction as it will (generally) always look like a powerpoint slideshow... whereas a well made and edited video will look top-notch. Robert |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Robert, dead bang on about Powerpoint VS nice video.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Hi Danny. My apologies for moving off topic. But personally I keep my pre-talk down to a minimum. Remove the gags and it lasts less than a minute. So I don't make much distinction between the intro and the pre-talk, in that both are there for the same purpose; to condition the audience to do what I want them to do. So I stand by my point. A good powerpoint or video presentation before I walk on could help. You have admitted you used it yourself. While I like the idea I won't be using it in the near future because I am lazy and like to travel light. But that's my loss. All the best. Tony.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Forget all that crap the following is much better.
I used the following on every large venue. As they audience entered their was loud fast music rock/pop current stuff playing. I always went on stage a little late. Suddenly the music would drop to very soft new age trancey music. On the tape you could hear faint "subliminals". This would go on for a min or so...then total darkness and SILENCE. you can hear the nervous giggles move around the room. Developing into hysteria... I then started the smoke machines in the dark and had strobe lights. Again fast pitched rock type music...and then a brief intro before walking on as the lights went up.. This is guaranteed to induce mass hysteria almost before you even walk on...everyone is in a heightend emotional state and believe the process of hypnosis is already started and they are on a roller coaster ride they have no control over. Allways keep them waiting a little while then do the unexpected. I did a mini version in small venues too. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
If I was going to show a video I would make fake hypnosis video that "hypnotised" the audience...
But I don't think its really necesssary. Each to their own though. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2009-08-20 06:46, mindpunisher wrote: I used to have a similar approach. I loved the theatricality of it all. Then someone pointed out that the audience were already nervous, because of the image that hypnosis has. Then they hear the dramatic music. I used to use The Omen (Carmina Burina) behind my intro. So instead of them expecting fun, they are on edge. Now I have bright cheerful pop before the show, funny announcements in the intro, and I walk on to The March of the Gladiators, the circus march. And the fear has evaporated. It is so much easier to get my volunteers. I have actually done a number of shows in a bright semi-clown outfit. It might not work for everyone, but it works for me. I know its off topic, but I thought it was worth bringing up. Tony.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I actually thought in reading the actual question that this thread would be a waste of time, but it's actually excellent. Once we all have a grasp of the actual question we can see that there's some great ideas here. MP is using hysteria like a modern day Hitler at a Nazi rally. It simply works. Whilst Robert's idea sounds quite brilliant to me. So brilliant that I am actually going to use it.
The best thing about this thread is that I can see every one's argument and can see sense in all that has been said. This is social science as it should be. bobser (Robert I sent you aPM on the 13th of Aug which you haven't read yet. Could you have a look please and get back to me? Ta)
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
>>> used to have a similar approach. I loved the theatricality of it all. Then someone pointed out that the audience were already nervous, because of the image that hypnosis has. Then they hear the dramatic music. I used to use The Omen (Carmina Burina) behind my intro. So instead of them expecting fun, they are on edge.<<<
By missing out this element you are robbing the audience of part of the experience. A big part of the hypnosis show experience is the "mystical" part. Just like mentalism hooks onto beliefs instead of just doing magic tricks - hypnosis hooks into the fascination and fears as well as excitement of the audience. By not playing to those natural drives you are reducing the hypnosis experience. And Tony never listen to advice from those that don't know about hypnosis shows. After I had a huge success with my first theatre type venue everyone started to tell me what I was doing wrong. From my mother to the milkman and his dog. As for comparing this to hitler? Well tony robbins uses this in his retreats... Infact it has been used widely. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A HYPNOTIST FOR CHRIST SAKE - SO USE HYPNOSIS TO GIVE YOUR AUDIENCE THE MAXIMUM EXPERIENCE- HYSTERIA = HYPNOSIS - THESE ARE HYPNOTIC TECHNIQUES.... Hypnosis shows should be theatrical they are threatre. The only thing I would say about "lets look at ME ME ME ME leave the dressing room" is - it is what most business people do. Brand awareness type of advertising. Its all about YOU and makng you look good. In marketing advertising or whatever you will have a bigger impact by focusing in on the mental processes of the audience and work out how to give THEM the best experience possible... The reason Bobser that making your audience sit through a boring film of you leaving your dressing room apeals to you is because its ALL ABOUT YOU.(ego) Why not show them you on the tiolet having a ham shank? Im sure it would be as interesting? I would be asleep before you came on.(which might be a good thing) |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I have many films of me which I always show to friends when they come to dine. And yes, whilst watching me on film much ham shanking and Irish jigging does take place (in fact I insist upon it). Can you blame them?
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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