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Stiles
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So I've been working on in-jogging a card for a while now and it feels almost like I've been getting worse lately. I just can't seem to make it appear casual and natural, it always comes off obvious. Should I keep working at it or just move on to something else for a while? What do you guys do?
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What kind of in-jog (or how ye attain it, more like)? Overhand shuffle (I believe ye mean this)? Something else? Or any type of in-jog ye attempt?

EDIT - Is it how ye attain it, or is it they notice ye've an in-jog?
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Sorry for being vague. Working through the royal road and it is indeed the overhand shuffle. It's that when I attain the in-jog it is apparent that something is different both that I've done something different than before and that the stack seems slightly weird. It feels like I am just plain doing it incorrectly.
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Do without doing.
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Hello Stiles

The injog overhand shuffle is one of my favorite controls. I peel of the card to be injogged, then the next batch is more DROPPED than shuffled onto it - and this packet is slightly injogged. Then I very sloppily shuffle the remainder on top. By sloppy I mean that some cards will be injogged, some outjogged, some will fall down . . .Very messy. Then I drop the cards onto the table in the messed condition. They can burn the deck at this point and see nothing.

Now, I actually prefer a card or two to fall, because then with the deck on the table I can pick up these cards from the table and casually drop them on top. Drag the whole mess towards me off the table edge (it looks like a real mish-mash), square up and cut to the break. The whole thing takes maybe 5 - 10 seconds, and I'm talking all the while.

Invisible, even if half the card is injogged.

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As with all magic practicing, simply take a break from the difficult move. Your brain will resume working at the moves without you ever consciously thinking about it. Then give it a try at least 3 days later, maybe even take a break from the difficult moves for one week.

To your astonishment you will notice that your moves have magically Smile improved. Trust me in this and give it a try. This is simply the way the human brain works.

Cheers

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Olaf is exactly right.
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On 2009-08-27 02:27, olaf911 wrote:
As with all magic practicing, simply take a break from the difficult move. Your brain will resume working at the moves without you ever consciously thinking about it. Then give it a try at least 3 days later, maybe even take a break from the difficult moves for one week.

To your astonishment you will notice that your moves have magically Smile improved. Trust me in this and give it a try. This is simply the way the human brain works.

Cheers

Olaf



Magically true!!!...This has helped me many times.
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I think that the idea of an injog is so alien to nearly all spectators that if they saw a card landing extremely far off center, they would probably feel that the shuffle was even more sloppy and fair.
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Take a break as suggested above by olaf911. If you can afford Card College vol. I buy it...Mr. Giobbi teaches a more logical method IMHO.

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I also support Olafs suggestion of taking a rest.

Perhaps you are trying to make it too neat and tidy. It is supposed to be relaxed and slightly sloppy.

It may be an obvious point, but you must practice this while NOT looking at the cards at all. First because that is how you will be using it in the end, and second because when you look at it, even while practicing, you are being much too deliberate in your actions.

My guess is that this is the stumbling block. It was for me.

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I second the suggestion about Card College, which for me and many others seems to be much more user-friendly than Royal Road. The idea of not looking at your hands is also a good one.

I would also suggest working on two or three different sleights at the same time. That way, if one sleight is giving you problems, you can change off and work on something else for a while. Contrary to what you might think, it will not make you doubly or triply frustrated!

Good luck and welcome to the Café! SETH
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I agree that taking a break does a world of good and also agree that part of your brain will keep working on the problem. I used to teach school and advised my students to spend time on a problem, but when they got stuck, to go on to the next problems and then return to the one on which they were stuck. It is amazing how often the solution would pop into their heads.
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Genesis 1-12 comes to mind. :o)


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My two cents. If your action is smooth (i.e. shuffling at a constance pace), no one will notice your injog. Tilt the deck a little upward, the injogged card will be totally hidden from the audience.
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I would just go play basketball and try agai later. Use different body movements when playin ball. Just relax and try it later
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I drink a beer and watch and episode of Seinfeld.
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Never--Never give up. keep working on it and then it will happen.
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Don't desist, we've all been there. keep ti up, and in no time you'll be performing it naturally.
It's like life, There is always a way to achieve your goals, keep trying, practice different approaches if you must, but don't desist, you'll realize after a while, it was all very easy.
It might help to watch somebody else do an injog, try youtube.
Keep it up,
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The best advice is to take a break after practicing for a significant amount of time. What Olaf has described is the phenomenon often referred to as 'motor memory' or 'muscle memory'.
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