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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Hi DerekG, Sorry about not acknowledging your interesting thoughts about passes and ACR's. For some reason I missed it -- didn't even know more posts were being added to this thread.
And Marty, do you know where I can find the complete handling, in words or video, of Aldo Colombini's "bombproof" DL? Thanks, guys. Bob |
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Darth_Prime Veteran user 322 Posts |
I haven't read the entire topic, so maybe someone else has brought this up, but another two elements about this Trick that should also be mentioned is 1. The Force, and 2. how the trick is being related to the audience
I think the force is the weakest part of the routine, because the first selection is a free choicee, if the second selection even feels a little bit forced they can re-work the routine back to that point, and the last revelation will in fact explain the rest of the trick and second, how is this trick being presented to the audience I know someone that performs the routine with one person freely selecting a card, and one person freely thinking of a card |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
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On Jun 1, 2021, Bob G wrote: The thread that never dies!!! |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
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On Jun 1, 2021, Darth_Prime wrote: Hi Darth, It's a long thread, but very interesting (if you like digging into theory of magic as applied to a specific routine). The force has been discussed in considerable detail - worth reading. |
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Darth_Prime Veteran user 322 Posts |
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On Jun 1, 2021, Nikodemus wrote: I will look for it |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
Https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/timeline3......ight=650
This timeline from Marty Jacobs has lots of interesting variants with assorted presentational styles. Bill Malone's starts with a face-up "thought of" selection. I have been playing around with this "observation test" idea for phase 1 - Look at your card, and put it back in the deck please. Would you recognise it if you saw it again? Did you notice any distinguishing features? Of course, it has marking on the front - that's what cards are. But all the backs look the same - so it could be ANY of these cards. Oh - except for this one! How did that get in there? So there is just one card that could NOT possibly be yours. It must be one of the others, mustn't it? In fact maybe we could have a little wager? You don't want to? Why ever not?..... Also I like the idea of the spectator trying to send you their card telepathically. |
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qkeli Special user paris,france 792 Posts |
Nikodemus, thanks a lot for those information.
The link provided is awesome, do you know if others are available on others topics, cards across, rising cards..... |
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SleightlySpooky New user 50 Posts |
The Impossible Co’s Pygmalion bundle has a really good take on the chicago opener (Compatibility Test, my personal favorite).
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
I've been thinking more(!) about the quote from Eugene Burger that kicked off this thread. Specially the bit about the DL/DT being when eyes are on the card. For a while, I was thinking that a DL/DT is always done when eyes are on the card. So maybe EB meant the DL is a poor technique per se. (Apparently he decided to stop doing effects with DL/DT).
I am starting to come around to the idea that in most situations it is better to use a Top Change (or maybe Lorayne Illogical Double) rather than DL/DT. This allows the spectators to actually handle the single card. Then the switch is then done on the off-beat afterwards. But there are also probably good/bad situations to do a DL/DT. Let's say in an Ambitious Card Routine, the selection is on top of the deck. You do a DL to show their card is "not on the top". This is a very casual moment - there is no pressure. Then you turn over the actual top card - it is the signed selection. NOW they want to examine the card - and they can. The opposite situation is the selection is second from top. You genuinely show the top card. Then DL to show the selection has "come to the top". In this situation the card IS under scrutiny - but cannot be examined. This is akin to the situation in Chicago Opener. I wonder if this was what EB didn't like? |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
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On Jun 3, 2021, qkeli wrote: That timeline was created by Marty Jacobs, and he provided the link in an earlier post. I just posted another link to it. I don't know if he has done similar for other classic effects. BTW - He has mentioned he has his own version of CO, which I would love to hear about. I think I know (roughly) the method he has probably adopted - it would allow the stranger card to be handled much more freely in phase 1. |
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qkeli Special user paris,france 792 Posts |
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On May 31, 2021, Nikodemus wrote: If you like this one, please check Gary Kurtz’s handling which is awesome...it’s on the timeline |
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cuchullain New user Oklahoma City 93 Posts |
That timeline was awesome! I had fun seeking out the variations and wondering at how creativity can take an idea and make it totally new. That is an inspiration and a lesson.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
The two endings of Chicago Surprise:
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1665 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2021, cuchullain wrote: Thanks, I'm glad it has been helpful. I created it quite a few years ago, so it is a little out of date. I've just updated it and fixed some of the broken images and crediting errors. You can find it on my blog here: Card Plot Chronologies: The Hot Card Trick. Looking at the timeline is interesting. The original trick was released circa 1950. It seems to have taken 20-30 years for the trick to gain in popularity. From the mid-90s onward, there has been a consistent stream of variations, most likely thanks to the increased exposure that trick received through the video teachings of Michael Ammar. I had a good chat about my two-card variation called "Two Hot Too Trot" with Nick (Nikodemus) via PM. I have plans to publish the trick on my blog, but I want to update the instructions before I do this. I also plan to weave in a discussion around the structure of the trick on the write-up. Marty |
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1665 Posts |
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On Jun 3, 2021, qkeli wrote: Yes, the plan has always been to create more timelines. They take a long time to research and make, however. The next one will be on Dai Vernon's "Twisting the Aces". I'm not sure when it will be finished, though! Marty |
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seraph127 Special user 587 Posts |
“Lorayne Illogical Double”
This item, from Quantum Leaps, is actually Marlo’s KM Move with Reverse Fingering from Marlo’s Magazine No. 1 (I believe).
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1665 Posts |
For those still interested in this plot, I've just published a top ten hot list of my favourite variations of "The Hot Card Trick" by Al Leech:
Magic Hot List: The Hot Card Trick The trick in the number one slot will be no surprise to most! Marty |
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Tim Roesch New user United States 80 Posts |
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On Apr 17, 2022, Pop Haydn wrote: Both of these are amazing!!! I'm totally changing the way I perform CO!!! |
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Tim Roesch New user United States 80 Posts |
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On Dec 20, 2022, shakuni wrote: Here is a working link: https://www.martysbagoftricks.com/2022/1......ick.html |
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raether New user Shorewood, IL 79 Posts |
Here is a working link:
https://www.martysbagoftricks.com/2022/1......ick.html [/quote] Nice article! Many thanks for putting this together for the community.
Helmut Raether
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