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fridoliina89
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Hello!

I have a question about the Erdnase color change.

Which way is the right way to do it? I have seen some magicians push the card forward and then do the move, and then I have seen some magicians push the deck back except the top card and then do the move.

Which is the right way to do it?
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I personally show my hand empty right next to the deck and as I turn the cover hand palm down, my pinky stays in contact with the card whilst pushing it forward (can't believe I just used whilst in a sentence). This provides adequate cover for the tell-tale action of sliding the top card forward prior to executing the change. I hope this helps. PM me if you have any questions
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On a related question, does anyone use this close up with actual people, as opposed to web cams.

There are some color changes that look truly amazing in the iffy frame rate of a youtube video. I'm wondering how many people use them in real conditions.

I'm trying to recall if I've ever seen a working pro do a color change of any kind.

I'll probably be bombarded with dozens of "I do" posts. Just curious.

I did watch a Marlo dvd at one point he did various Snap Changes with different objects, which looked great. Then I saw the out takes and realised how many times he had shot some of the scenes to make it look right.

To answer the original post, the way I've seen it done involves nudging the card forward with the pinky. But it never looked good in my hands and I don't do it.

-Rd
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I originally did the change exactly as described in EatCT but have made many modifications based on the original for my own use!

Rd,

Yeah, I've seen some guys do some VERY eye appealing changes and whereas it's not a main stay for me I have a few I like and occasionally do in public! Chris Brown and Eric Jones both have some real eye candy changes I've seen them do close up and in person and they play well IMO!

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I have to say that the erdnase is one of the only color changes I will do in front of an audience. Nearly angle proof and if done right, simply beautiful. I think how you pull your hand away can make as much of a difference in the overall appearance as how you do the get-ready. Try to remove the cover hand in an elegant, magical way versus simply removing your hand after completing the sleight. I once had a girl whom had just witnessed the change say,"I like how you pulled your hand away like 'yeah, I'm a bad*ss.'" The subtext of what she said was, 'you did that really well,' rather than, 'you're an arrogant megalomaniac that likes to showoff'. Experiment with different actions for the reveal. Some do a quick waving action the moment the change is complete, but I believe that if your actions leading up to the reveal are smooth and don't arouse suspicion, why kill it with a less than aesthetic reveal. Try simply spreading your fingers the second you complete the change and go from there. Also, you want the moment between their last sight of the initial card and the first sight of the changed card to be as short as possible. As far as pushing the deck backwards vs. the top card forward, I can only speak from personal experiences when I say that the majority of magicians Ive met push the top card forward. I've surely departed from the question first posed, but once again I hope this helps. If you'd like to see a video of my take on the change, shoot me a PM and I'll see what I can throw together. Good Luck!
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On 2009-09-01 18:54, MagicMarker wrote:
I did watch a Marlo dvd at one point he did various Snap Changes with different objects, which looked great. Then I saw the out takes and realised how many times he had shot some of the scenes to make it look right.
Hmmm...that's not magic that's called acting. BTW credit for this particular color change goes to Harry Houdini...

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You need to remember there are 2 types of working pros, generally speaking. The technical adequate and other...
I've seen some gorgeous colour changes by pros working. I try to get a few colour changes in because there is nothing to think about for a spectator but the impact is huge. Few effects come close to a card visually changing into another without emotional investment.

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The Erdnase change is probably one out of three that I consistently use when I work. It is an extremely versatile move, and I find it to be very useful. I have also come up with many applications for this very simple and I feel overlooked change.

Here's a clip of a routine which I use it in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtCRJSyoyX0

I don't perform this routine when working, this video was shot purely just for fun! Smile You'll see the change at about 8secs.
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1. Don't let them see you push it forward. Do it with your pinky as the hand covers the card, so its complete covered as you both push the card forward and move your hand back to "isolate" the card.(it moves up and deck moves back, card stays spatially in same location)

2. When squaring, move the deck forward as the first finger squares the card, again to isolate spatially the location of the card.

When properly done, it should appear as if the card stays squared with the pack the entire time.
When improperly done, the magician openly shoves the card forward for half the card length and then haphazardly squares it back up with the covering hand making the workings obvious.
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Check out marnase change, tweaked by mr marlo..
you push the card forward.. and it changes outjogged on top of the deck.. very nice..
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Pushing the deck back to keep the card in the same place is a Larry Jennings finesse which I think is great.

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A light touch & speed will help.

I actually don't use it much as a colour change, instead I use it in my ambitious card routine. When the card comes back to the top & it's a single, I like to put it cleanly back on top & claim to lose it in the deck magically this time via the Erdnase move which puts it second from top. Now do a DL & pretend it hasn't worked & say you'll do it normally. Flip the double over & put the indifferent card in as per usual.
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A friend of mine did the change with the card still outjogged. I thought it looked great - it appeared as if he pushed that card out to isolate it from the deck, waved his hand over it and it changed, still isolated from the deck.

Well, I thought it looked very good.
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I love the Erdnase change, versatile, good angles, not too difficult. I modified the handling a little like most above, firstly to get rid of the "push the card forward" that most seem to do, and secondly to get rid of the "3 stage" action of the change and replace it with a single action. I eliminated the first two "stages" or "actions" in the sleight by using a sort of han ping chien with cards to palm the card out and resquare the deck as I move to frame the change.
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Hey guys,

I was lucky enough to spend a little time with Herb Zarrow when I met him in NY, and he showed me a very nice finesse on the "Erdnase Change". I will be sharing some touches on the move, culled from other sources as well, in the near future.

Oh, and I'll be doing it for free.

Because I love you all.

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On 2009-09-02 09:09, nique wrote:
The Erdnase change is probably one out of three that I consistently use when I work. It is an extremely versatile move, and I find it to be very useful. I have also come up with many applications for this very simple and I feel overlooked change.

Here's a clip of a routine which I use it in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtCRJSyoyX0

I don't perform this routine when working, this video was shot purely just for fun! Smile You'll see the change at about 8secs.


That was a fantastic change! Perhaps you could share some of your touches on the change with us? Looking forward to Ben's work as well.
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On 2009-09-22 09:24, Ben Train wrote:
Hey guys,

I was lucky enough to spend a little time with Herb Zarrow when I met him in NY, and he showed me a very nice finesse on the "Erdnase Change". I will be sharing some touches on the move, culled from other sources as well, in the near future.

Oh, and I'll be doing it for free.

Because I love you all.

Ben
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On 2009-09-22 09:24, Ben Train wrote:
Hey guys,

I was lucky enough to spend a little time with Herb Zarrow when I met him in NY, and he showed me a very nice finesse on the "Erdnase Change". I will be sharing some touches on the move, culled from other sources as well, in the near future.

Oh, and I'll be doing it for free.

Because I love you all.

Ben


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On 2009-09-22 09:24, Ben Train wrote:
Hey guys,

I was lucky enough to spend a little time with Herb Zarrow when I met him in NY, and he showed me a very nice finesse on the "Erdnase Change". I will be sharing some touches on the move, culled from other sources as well, in the near future.

Oh, and I'll be doing it for free.

Because I love you all.

Ben


cheers mate

looking forward to it
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One thing that I have been playing with is doing Robert Moreland's Cloud Change, and then doing the Erdnase Change.

That way, when the card changes back in the Cloud Change, there's a slight off-beat moment because there is an initial surprise from the change, and then you have a moment to do the get ready (whichever way you prefer) for the Erdnase change.

K.C.
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