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soleil
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Hello all,

I have some questions to those people here who use or have used the Bryces screen producton illusion (B-screen) by Creative illusions.

Is it possible and good looking to use just one assistant to fold the screen before the appearence?

Is it possible and easy to turn the screen 360 degrees before the production?

And finally, is there a bad angles of this illusion, I mean if the audinces point of view is above the stage is there a risk to see something?

Thanks in advance,

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Soleil
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It would be difficult for one person to fold the screen. It can be done but the screens are not terribly rigid because of their ability to collapse into a bag. It would also take longer to do it with one person rather than two. If you want to use one assistant, than building a set of Bryce's Screens or buying the Abbott's version would be easier to work with. (Also, they would be larger to store and heavier to transport.)

I don't see how you can rotate the screens before the production because they are wobbly. (Again, because of their ability to collapse.) I'm not sure you could rotate a set made of wood frames either. It's possible but would also make it easier to expose your secret. (feet showing)

Somebody would have to be at a pretty high angle to see inside. Of course, the taller the person being produced, the easier it would be to see something from above.

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I've got another question to anyone who uses this effect. Does it really fool anyone? I remember wanting one of these so bad when I was younger and studying the Abbott's Catalog. The whole concept looked amazing, it broke down for packing, do it anywhere... then I saw it.

I know I'm looking at it as a magician but I always wonder if it really fools people or if it is really obvious and they are just too polite to say anything about it. I often have these thoughts about certain "bold" effects. Is it really deceptive? Does anyone have some real world experience where they've had an impartial friend who honestly came up and said "I have no idea where that person came from!". I'm not talking about the people who are just patronizing you and telling you how good the show was, I always like to hear that but I don't count it.

I think it's a very clever idea and love the concept, I just want some practical reinforcement.
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It really does fool people. I purchased one in 2007(Abbotts's) to make a exotic dancer disappear in a bar/club. Lay peple (mostly women) where everywhere surrounding me and when it was pulled off they where amazed. I overheard them asking him how he did it. He also won the competition.

He disappeared and reappeared from the other part of the club. BUT you do need two people to handle the screen! It is a shame when we want to do a illusion so bad that we will not use the required assistants.


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Thanks, Don... I was always curious about that. It just seemed obvious but we always have to look at it from a layman's perspective and sometimes that's just hard to do!
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I think Ray has a good point, some of these 'effects' qualify as surprises rather than as genuine mysteries.
It's kinda' like many of the parasol production acts...each production is a surprise, but not a true mystery.

When D***d Copperf****d did that trick where two screen pass each other ( and he did it on several TV broadcasts), and the performer is found at the intersection, he tried to elevate the mystery a bit by producing the person on a small pedestal (actually I think it was a ladder and the screens were two sheets on a laundry line, but he point is the same)...but it was never a powerhouse wonder.

Sometimes, if the pacing is right, I'll settle for a good surprise, but I've never seen any of these screens done with any real 'verve'!

(How's that for an archaic word?)

The best version of any of those screen effects was in a Frederic Apcar show in Lake Tahoe that was choreographed by a master: (Ron Lewis) and it was used to introduce the principals... The dancers were spinning and loading three or four of these panels on rollers and the singers just loaded in behind. but the whole production was timed so incredibly well to the music: (Mike Jackson's "Don't stop 'til you get enough')

So many of these type effects look great when staged by a real professional and look cr***py otherwise. (Ray, I know you hate that word, so I've left it a 'mystery"
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Magicians often forget that the primary goal should always be entertainment. A good surprise can be as enjoyable and memorable to an audience as a great mystery.
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I use my B Screens to produce Santa Claus, company VIPs and, recently, a birthday child. I don't think it's an illusion that floors people but it's effective because of the popularity of the person produced. I don't think it would be nearly as effective making an assistant appear. At that point, they are more interested in how it's done. When you make some unexpected but highly recognizable appear, they are excited about who you made appear.
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It is most deceptive when you DO spin the screens 360 degrees before the reveal.
I’ve had a tremendous response from the B-Screens,
but I feel they must be rotated for full effect.
This takes some practice and skill as you must change the configuration mid-turn.
It is a most practical way to produce a “non-assistant” as all they need do is stand still.
We were even able to use them when working with now 88 year old Carol Channing.
PM me if you have any other questions.

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On 2009-09-03 20:48, AttnPls wrote:
Magicians often forget that the primary goal should always be entertainment. A good surprise can be as enjoyable and memorable to an audience as a great mystery.


That's why I just started shouting and squirting water on the crowd, I'm just not getting as much work now... odd.
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Walt:

Very good point!

I did rotate the screens to show that he had truly vanished.

I had forgotten since it was acquired for this one event and is now in storage out of site out of mind.

However I will say that it is somewhat light and versatile. I tried using it without assitance and it was not smooth enough. It looks better with at least 2 people assisting.

Don

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On 2009-09-04 12:30, SpellbinderEntertainment wrote:
It is most deceptive when you DO spin the screens 360 degrees before the reveal.
I’ve had a tremendous response from the B-Screens,
but I feel they must be rotated for full effect.
This takes some practice and skill as you must change the configuration mid-turn.
It is a most practical way to produce a “non-assistant” as all they need do is stand still.
We were even able to use them when working with now 88 year old Carol Channing.
PM me if you have any other questions.

Magically,
Walt



Walt is right. I think it is very deceptive. Even if you start with the opening in the back and only do a 180 before producing someone, as long as you do the configuration change on the half (or in this case the quarter turn). Of course, you have to have two people turn it to do it properly, and the person you are producing does have to turn around if your only doing a 180. I've always just turned it 180 degrees, but Walt got me thinking, and from now on when I produce a non-magician, I think I will do the 360. Thanks Walt.
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With all of the big corporate gigs using IMags, this would be a great way to show yourself alone behind the screen, with shots from behind of the screen and residual shots of the audience.

This would be about the only clean, viable way to use the Bryce screen, without too much trouble taken to carefully have two assistants turn it around.

That, and Touch of a Demon Ghost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXByS0d6Hvs

However, transport to corporate events is prohibitive.

I've got something else in the works that allows the exec to be produced with no practice, no movements to memorize.

JF
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You need to find some video of this being performed and look at it closely it is never fooled me for a minute the center section never changes when it’s turned around and for some reason they assume this should be fooling you I don’t know who it fools never fooled me
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