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Goodburn New user 9 Posts |
My Son, Nic,(13) has been asked to work at a local restaurant in Hamilton, Ontario, doing table side magic on "kids eat free days", It's only once a week for two hours, and the problem is we have no idea how much to charge them, this is his first paying gig, and he is only 13. I am afraid that the owner of the restaurant doesn't understand that entertainer's don't make $8/hr like the dishwasher in the back. What should he be charging? Thanks to anyone who helps us out here!
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
First ask them what their budget is, then mention that experienced pro's make XXX per hour, but he's willing to do this for XX and the experience. (If it costs transportation money to get there that should be covered.
For my thinking the money isn't the important part, it is getting the experience.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I believe when I started around that age doing restaurants, I was making 20-25 and hour.
As Mr. Biro says, it is important how you present it to them. Also, the experience is important.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Pete is spot on! At his age, getting EXPERIENCE vs. money is PRICELESS! My first restaurant I ever did I was about 8 years old. I wasn't paid. I performed in a fast food chicked restaurant. The owner was a friend of my dads and every Saturday, he let me come in and do magic.
Those poor people had to endure an 8 year olds magic...yikes! Still...it got me experience that helped pave the road to success. Follow Pete's advice...I couldn't add anything more w/o repeating him.
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montymagi Special user Slidell La 752 Posts |
How are the tips in your area?
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Futureal Inner circle 1695 Posts |
He's 13 and it's his first gig?
Gee, I wouldn't charge them anything. Give them a free week, see if he's any good and then talk about money. |
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montymagi Special user Slidell La 752 Posts |
I know the laws are different there but can he work at 13?
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2009-09-09 22:32, montymagi wrote: I don't know the law, but would any such law not apply to a kid that starts up his own business? He'd be an independant contractor, and not an employee. He should earn something for his time and effort, but it should probably be nominal. As mentioned above, the experience is the best compensation for someone at this age.
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
He would probablyalso get tipped depending on what tyoe of place it is. The experience is important.
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Goodburn New user 9 Posts |
The Only problem with tips is, you are taking away from the servers tips, which they may not like at all. The owner has agreed to pay him, just how much is the question, and I do completely understand that the experience is very crucial and most important.
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Eddie Torres Special user New York City 692 Posts |
I think that for his first gig of this type your son should be making his transportation costs, the amount for any used props (cards, sponges, etc.), the cost of something to eat and mabe a couple of extra bucks for this and that back. So if everyday that he's going in there he takes a five dollar bus ride round trip, a three dollar deck of cards, five dollar spongeballs and a ten dollar lunch or dinner, which totals $23, Maybe he should charge around 25 to 40 bucks for the whole thing. Experience is the most important yes, but he shouldn't have to be losing any money on the gig. Obviously he's not going to need new props every time he does a show, but I think that's a good way of looking at it, and he'll have some extra spending money which is great.
Btw, tipping magicians doesn't take from the server, it usually does the opposite. Unless you're performing at a place where people aren't prepared to spend any money at all like a little diner or something. If someone offers him a tip, and if it's fine with the management he should feel fine about accepting them. He just shouldn't go around asking for them. Eddie
Eddie Ivan Torres
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1908 Posts |
I have never believed one is taking away tips from the servers.
If the patron is going to leave a 15-20% gratuity they are still going to do that regardless whether or not they tip the entertainment. Anyway, ask for however much you think you can deliver and see what happens.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Let us know what works out.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
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On 2009-09-10 10:48, Eddie Torres wrote: SPOT ON!!!! Great post! Quote:
Eddy is correct. The key is getting your servers to work WITH YOU. You're not taking a servers tip, you're accepting your own and in turn your server makes more money. Monday Night, I got a $10 tip from a table. No big deal right? Later that night, the server came up to me and told me that the table thanked her for telling them about me and asking if she could have me come over to entertain them while they waited for their meal. She got a $20 tip from them (ontop of her 20% from the meal) just for having me come over and spend a little time with them. Christopher
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BCaldwell Special user is really regretting his 524 Posts |
Great advice, everyone!
Please let us know how it works out.
"...that's just my opinion. I could be wrong." Dennis Miller
~Bob~ |
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Goodburn New user 9 Posts |
Well, My son's first night at the restaurant, as an experience, was amazing, he performed for two hours and people were truly amazed, he was really good, he had a boost of confidence that we'd never seen before, couldn't have asked for a better response from the customers!!! The owners were happy. Although, they had planned to pay him 20 bucks for the two hours, they noticed he had made some tips, so they asked how much he made, my wife told them 12 bucks, so they dished 8 dollars out of the till, to equal a total of 20! He had actually made more than double that, but us knowing the owners of this restaurant knew they would try to pay as little as possible for his work! I understand it's the experience that counts, but 8 bucks??? come on!
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
That is cheeky of the establishment to do that
if they agreed $20 then that is what they should of payed out, regardless of tips made, but brilliant his confidence was up and he was enjoying himself, but say he got $30 overall that's a lot for a 13year old plus he can only become better
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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Goodburn New user 9 Posts |
Yes the experience was great, we had never seen him so confident, he had people asking waiters to have him go to their table next, He had a blast! He made close to 30 in actual tips, but considering the owner dropped him change, and not even a 10, that was really cheeky, but we will continue, see what happens next week!
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
At his age he would do well if he had a regular gig
what I would personally do, is do a few weeks, get everyone to tell the manager how great the magician was and it makes it a better establishment and they will return because of him, after 3 weeks tell the manager it will be $25 a night plus any tips he makes, will be in a better position to barter if they whole place has been nagging the managers ear
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
You shouldn't have LIED about the tips... what kind of lesson is that?
Then you should have told the manager to live up to his agreement of paying him $20.00.
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