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Some great work there Arnold thanks.
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One of the techniques I'm using is called a molinari cull.

Anyways, what you see in the video is not what goes down in real life. The video is solely just a demonstration of the technique and the speed at which it can be done, NOT A DISPLAY OF HOW TO USE THE TECHNIQUE IN ACTUAL PLAY. I should have noted that in my original post.

In real life, it kinda goes like this. It works perfectly with two decks. Basically, you casually do a molinari cull while the hand is being played, setting up the flop. Put the cards down now and play your hand. Pick them up again after casually, for you are just casually shuffling (read: arranging) the cards ONE time followed by an overhand or riffle blind shuffle. if you do it this way, it looks like you're genuinely mixing them up, again because you're alternating all the different which ways you're shuffling.

without getting too complicated:
-stack flop in one shuffle while pocket cards are being dealt out. follow with a simple false cut or blind overhand/riffle shuffle.
-put down deck, play current hand.
-when the flop gets dealt out in the current hand, pick up deck as you wait for your betting turn, and stack first round of pocket cards. follow with false cut or blind overhand/riffle shuffle.
-put down deck, play current hand.
-when the turn card gets dealt out, pick up deck casually again and this time do a blind overhand shuffle.
-put down deck, play current hand.
-when river card comes out, pick up deck casually again and finish your stack with the second round of pocket cards. follow with a blind overhand/riffle shuffle. you are now done.
-play current hand or fold, whatever.
-do not touch cards again until current hand is over.
-when the hand is over and it is now your turn to be dealer, maintain the order of the deck via blind overhand/riffle shuffles and false cuts.
-give deck to opponent to cut.
-at this point you can either reverse the cut with a pass (easiest), or nail the side of a card and put it on top of your stack so that the cut will land in the proper place.
-deal out your stack.

also, no attention is paid to the cards in my hand whatsoever when shuffling. not even a glance. it's very casual. no one EVER calls attention to it, possibly because of the stealthy manner in which I use the molinari cull.

I will agree with most of you though. if you tried replicating this video in play, you'd get your teeth handed to you. I should have mentioned this in my original post.
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Oh, and I also have to add that knowing how to stack a deck via table riffle shuffling is THE MOST effective way to do it. I do like the way I do it though when doing gambling routines for spectators.
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On 2009-09-22 16:33, jmstrings wrote:
Are you all speaking from experience in play? Because I am.
I have never been caught.
Note that I do NOT cheat, it's unethical and wrong.

JM, you seem like a nice guy.

Take a few days and read every post in this forum. It may give you a bit of insight into why folks are posting what they're posting about your vid.

As pointed out above, you claim you play, and that you've never been caught cheating.......but then claim you don't cheat because it's wrong and unethical.........which of course begs the question that was asked above "how can you not get caught when you don't cheat in the first place?"

You're sort of talking out the side of your mouth on this one my friend, and rather than dig a deeper hole trying to offer up what you "really meant", read the forum in its entirety, and then join the club!

This forum has a B.S. meter in it that's pretty difficult to fool.........just so ya' know.
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I hear ya. When speaking of my experience cheating, I choose my words carefully. I do not want a record of anything. Make what you want of the way I phrased it. I did that with intent.

I am quite confused about why I am getting flamed, though. Maybe if I had added what this video was demonstrating in my original post, this wouldn't be happening.

All that being said, I'm here to learn. I record and post videos for this very purpose -- to get feedback. There is ALWAYS room for improvement.

I have practiced and (I think, at least) become quite good at Jimmy Molinari's "molinari cull". I am more of a magician than a cheater, in the sense that I'm performing and taking up the magician role much more often than the cheating gambler role. I see now I have a lot to learn about the ladder.

Anyways, I guess it would be logical to say many of you guys have not seen this cull before? It's one of the easier ones, obviously, though you do need to develop skill to pull it off stealthily, smoothy, and most importantly, quickly.


To conclude, sorry if I ****ed any of you guys off. It seems I have. (again, for reasons I'm unaware of)
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One of my poker buddies asked to see me do it with 9 players with the 6th position being dealt the winning hand. He wanted to see if it was possible to set up a hand that looked like a number of players could win the pot. (in other words, multiple players thinking they have the best hand)


http://www.packthebowl.com/stuff/bargo.mov

9 players, 6th position get's the flush.

I don't remember which at this point, but I had one player get trip 7's and another player get 2 pair (Aces and Kings).

Player 6 rivers their flush; how surprising.

Result of hand = 6th position raking in lotsssss of money


Oh, and before someone kills me for it... I know, my pass needs work. (that's why I'm here)
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Holly crap!

1) Stop those fancy magician moves you do at the beginning! No fancy move at the card table!!!
2) Just forget about the Molinari cull. No use at all in true play!
3) Stop shuffling cards face up. Absolute nonsense in 2K9...
4) A standard shuffle is about 2-3 riffles, sometimes a strip and, if so, 1-2 more riffles. Say something like 12 or 15 seconds for the whole stuff. Whereas you shuffle for hours...
5) Learn how to cut properly a deck. No magician cuts in actual play...
6) I can't go further. A riffle pass just killed me Smile.
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I'm aware of and practice #'s 1, 4, and 5.

There's no way in HELL I would pull moves like that at the card table. I use these videos to note progress as well as practice. They're like practice sessions for me. Thus, I practice some flourishy type stuff as well.

I disagree about the molinari cull. I have previously stated why.

Yes, I shuffle a lot in the video... though, to emphasize the fact that they're mixed. (the first 30 seconds is genuine shuffling)


And again, my pass needs work.

edit:
my pass shouldn't even be called a pass, lol.
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On 2009-09-22 19:07, AMcD wrote:
Yep, I'm talking from actual experience.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't exactly stack the way you do. On the following link, you'll be able to watch vids about one (among many!) way I use to stack cards.

http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/en/code/index.php?p=6210000



I downloaded your videos. Top quality, man. Props and respect to ya.
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You will be alright, so long as you run as fast as Jimmy can shuffle. Smile
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On 2009-09-22 21:38, jmstrings wrote:
without getting too complicated:
-stack flop in one shuffle while pocket cards are being dealt out. follow with a simple false cut or blind overhand/riffle shuffle.
-put down deck, play current hand.
-when the flop gets dealt out in the current hand, pick up deck as you wait for your betting turn, and stack first round of pocket cards. follow with false cut or blind overhand/riffle shuffle.
-put down deck, play current hand.
-when the turn card gets dealt out, pick up deck casually again and this time do a blind overhand shuffle.
-put down deck, play current hand.
-when river card comes out, pick up deck casually again and finish your stack with the second round of pocket cards. follow with a blind overhand/riffle shuffle. you are now done.
-play current hand or fold, whatever.
-do not touch cards again until current hand is over.
-when the hand is over and it is now your turn to be dealer, maintain the order of the deck via blind overhand/riffle shuffles and false cuts.
-give deck to opponent to cut.
-at this point you can either reverse the cut with a pass (easiest), or nail the side of a card and put it on top of your stack so that the cut will land in the proper place.
-deal out your stack.



That's a hell of a lot of manhandling the deck. The players might even think you're setting something up, what with toying with the deck at every opportunity you get (before the hand, after dealing, after the flop, after the turn, after the river, and maybe even more besides).

Yes, what I say comes from experience, at both single and double deck tables. Anyone toying with the deck that much (and face up, for frack's sake) will be noticed, and we aren't playing for high stakes.

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There's no way in HELL I would pull moves like that at the card table.


Then there's no reason in hell for you to make such a video. You don't ever practice magic moves interspersed with gambling moves because you don't want those bad habits to show up at the table without you realizing it. If you can't make a video without little magicky flourishes like spreading your hands every time you do something to emphasize how fair it is, it's unlikely you can play all night at the table without that bad habit showing up. I would bet it'll show up without you knowing, but the incredibly soft penny games you must play may not have players that are even awake most of the time.

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Yes, I shuffle a lot in the video... though, to emphasize the fact that they're mixed.


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Well, yeah man. I was first born a magician, and then a gambler.

Anyways, sorry to waste your time, guys. It turns out I have no idea what I'm doing, and what I'm currently doing is useless.

My luck!
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Doesn't have to be wasted time. There is a ton of good info on the boards. If you want to keep doing what you're doing then it's all up to you, but if you want to do more then start reading.

The molinari cull isn't necessarily useless, but I would never shuffle cards face up. That doesn't mean you can't figure out a way to use the cull with normal shuffles, but it'll be hard to get around the single card runs. Still, there's no need to cull on the fly.
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JM, just be aware that many of the folks that frequent this forum are some of the finest mechanics on the planet, with years and years (often decades) of experience. So come with humility and an open mind, and I'm sure you'll thoroughly enjoy the experience and learn mountains of stuff. Oh, and as Silver said, the merest hint of BS isn't suffered too kindly by folks around here. Think of it as tough love. You've obviously got the desire and enough talent to get you where you want to get, so keep on listening, learning and practicing...
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Attitude speaks volumes.

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On 2009-09-22 02:15, JasonEngland wrote:
Fell asleep at the 40 second mark. Is that when you hit me with the cooler?

J



Baaahh.. You beat me I made it to the 25 second mark... Really, though everyone else summed it up... There is a ton of video"s in this section alone that can give/help you out.

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On 2009-09-22 16:33, jmstrings wrote:
Are you all speaking from experience in play? Because I am.

I have never been caught.


Note that I do NOT cheat, it's unethical and wrong.


Isn't this being hypocritical? And please show me a game where I can get away shuffling like this.

Gooood luck.
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OK guys. This could actually work under ceertain conditions. Listen before you start to flame me. I play Texas Holdem 3 or 4 times a week. In every game we are always fiddling before sitting down in our assigned seats (usually draw cards for our seat. The cards are on the table and usually someone is counting them or shuffling them. Having said that it woudl be very possible to do what he did and not draw attention to yourself because in the end he does shuffle them face down. If done in an offhand way the first part of the cards being face up would not be noticed because it would just be fiddling with the cards.

Of a few things would have to be in place for this to work. First he would have to be the first dealer which is also done by dealing out the cards and first ace or high card is the dealer or often times when picking seats the high card is the first dealer as well as seat one. The other thing that would have to be in place is that the individual to his right would have to refuse the cut as in our game a cut must be offered.

Just my thoughts on this.
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Could work? Well, have you ever seen a shuffle lasting that long?

Of course, everything is possible and, as usual, context is everything when talking about card cheating. But there are boundaries not to be bypassed, one of'em is called credibility.

I can assure you my cat was fooled every time when I showed him my SD technique. Was cool, but winning cat food wasn't that great. It took a huge amount of practice in order to fool true human beings.

You'll meet everything and nothing around the card tables but the closer you are to actual and common human behaviours the best it is.
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On 2009-09-25 23:21, acesover wrote:
OHaving said that it woudl be very possible to do what he did and not draw attention to yourself because in the end he does shuffle them face down.


Shuffling the cards face down after all these long, repeated shuffles with the cards face up is nothing more than magician's guilt and shows clearly that the performer knows full well that what he did is not supposed to pass.
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When a specific shuffle is put into a context for which it lacks any and all credibility, it becomes pointless to discuss it as anything other than a magic trick during which the cards are shuffled face up.
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