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Listen for a minute here. The first part of his shuffling is nothinig more than stacking the deck face up and as I said before we sit down to play any number of individuals will have fooled around with the cards. That is counting them (make sure of 52) or just shuffling them and not really being watched.

However another problem with this is that we have a minium or 8 people at a table when we start and this was done with 5. I am not saying it is practial. I am saying that under the right conditions it could fly..it is strictly an effect of opportunity which may never occur, but if it did it "could" fly. I am not saying this person could sit down and perfrom this as an effect because it cannot be done with any professionalism as it is to obvious tht something is being done with the cards. But on the offbeat that one is sitting at the table just jerking around with the cards before the game starts and all the other elements are in place, 5 individuals, no cut, and 4 blind people (just kiddinig) it will work.

Come on how many of you can really do it and have it work the first time? Give the guy a break.
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The first part of his shuffling is nothinig more than stacking the deck face up...........

You've said all there is to say.
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Listen, it's just not good enough to fly unless they are blind (and I'm not kidding).
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On 2009-09-26 21:23, acesover wrote:

Come on how many of you can really do it and have it work the first time? Give the guy a break.


Count out how many people have disagreed with you or jm. About that many.
We don't care for sub-par work and this is a good example of said work.
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You know, if you wanted to, you probably could survive eating stuff out of trashcans for the rest of your life. It may work, you may live, but you'll be way better off eating real home cooked meals, and your health will be better too.

Don't satisfy yourself with trash and decide it's good enough.
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I believe we have a bunch of elitists here.
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On 2009-09-27 12:38, jmstrings wrote:
I believe we have a bunch of elitists here.

You appear not to share the high standards common to this forum. (resorting to name calling goes a long way to tipping your agenda).

There are plenty of Café forums where they praise everything that gets posted without fail......you may find happiness in one of those forums?

Best of luck to you.
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http://www.packthebowl.com/stuff/pocketkings.mov

How's that work for you guys? You think that this would raise a red flag?
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Silverking is right, maybe another area of the forum or better yet T11, E or the Buck site would be a better place to have sunshine and rainbows blown up your arse! Personally if I put something up for all the world to see I'd better be prepared for critique (good AND bad)!

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On 2009-09-27 14:29, jmstrings wrote:
You think that this would raise a red flag?

Absolutely.

There are some who would probably tell you that you're posting videos without having put in the time to perfect what it is you're trying to accomplish.

In other words, in order to maintain your credibility you should (presuming you're serious) stop posting bad magic videos on a gambling forum and simply join the forum as a learner.

You may think you're beyond the category of "learner", but you'd be mistaken. We're all "learners" in this forum.

................one other difference as pointed out by Mick, no sunshine and smoke here. When "video praise" is offered it's always to the very finest work, usually the result of years, or more likely decades of constant practice.
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First off, this isn't a magic forum. This particular forum just happens to be on a magic board. There are different rules here. When constructing a magic trick, you have all the liberty in the world to reach the desired effect. Gambling slieght of hand on the other hand is very structured...this isn't a magic trick, cirtain rules just can't be broken to compensate for improper use of a technique. There is no way around it, proper card table etequite is absolutly required and what is displayed in the video breaks the rules.

Meanwhile you are calling people elitest for pointing out a very basic mistake in this branch of what you call magic.
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On 2009-09-27 14:29, jmstrings wrote:
You think that this would raise a red flag?


Yes. You start shuffling face up. You have long runs of single cards. You hesitate in a number of parts. Your shuffling is much too deliberate.

Why are you posting videos? To get constructive feedback, or to show the world that you're the real deal and know how to move?

It's actually sad how most people delete their videos off youtube after a few days or a few hundred views. We've seen lots of great stacking but I wouldn't know how to find the videos again save in my archive. If you could see what the level is on some of the videos, you may change your mind about your technique. Or else you could decide it's good enough and not try to improve, but I don't get that.

The games I play at use overhand shuffles, which I find to be not as good as table riffles. But I won't bust out clean, casino shuffles in an environment where everybody overhand shuffles and throws in an in the hands riffle in there. Still, that doesn't mean I don't practice riffle controls and stacks. You have to be able to work in the environment that's presented to you, sometimes with little to no preparation.

But I still can't think of a single case, ever, where you would choose to shuffle the deck face up. There is just no excuse to ever do that if you can do the techniques face down, and you ought to learn them that way. Like I said before, you don't need to cull cards on the fly, and I wouldn't try stacking cold in a real game because of all the things that must go right and the weaknesses of such techniques (at least the ones I know).

We're not saying your technique is bad because it makes us feel better. We're actually all in this together, believe it or not. Having a magician beat up because he insisted shuffling cards face up was OK is not something any of us want to happen, so please, keep playing with close friends who will "get it", or please at least listen to what we say.
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Jmstrings, view the following video to get an idea of the level of skill on this forum that we enjoy watching, in terms of dealing trips in hold'em.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=121502425478251013

Now do you understand why your 70 second long face-up single-card run didn't really cut it for us? That's just not how things really work at a card table.

I think if you had introduced yourself on this forum and asked for constructive criticism, rather than boasting the video as some sort of informative "how-to" with complex X and Y variables, you would have received a much more pleasant response.

Best of luck,
-Nicholas
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On 2009-09-27 12:38, jmstrings wrote:
I believe we have a bunch of elitists here.


We have Doc with his infinity pass and cold decks, Doc Jon with his real life stories, we had Mr. Z with all his casino experience and everything he learned from Forte, walking liberty and his incredible dice controls, we've had dice experts, card experts, three shell mob experts, and more besides.

We've had fine filet mignon, we know when we're being fed dog food. You can call us elitist for preferring the filet mignon, but that just seems like sour grapes to me. You have the chance to improve and people who can point you in the right direction. Why do you insist on disdaining your advice, because dog food is good enough for you? You can probably survive on it. I don't know why anyone would want to.
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On 2009-09-27 16:48, Maitre D wrote:
Jmstrings, view the following video to get an idea of the level of skill on this forum that we enjoy watching, in terms of dealing trips in hold'em.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=121502425478251013


Yes, that's an good example. Smooth, standard shuffling procedure.

And again, it's a set, not trips Smile.
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Oops, thanks for clarifying Smile
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Jmstrings,

go there:

http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/en/code/index.php?p=6210000

and watch the one named "Hold'Em RRSRC Stacking (5/7)". I stack 3 aces for the 5fth out of 7 players. I use what they call RRSRC procedure and you can check by yourself that the whole shuffling/cutting procedure lasts about 16 seconds. And it's just normal speed.

I've tried to record it from an above point of view and I pause for every round.

Not the greatest vid of my life, but it's just to show you
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On 2009-09-27 18:18, AMcD wrote:
Jmstrings,

go there:

http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/en/code/index.php?p=6210000

and watch the one named "Hold'Em RRSRC Stacking (5/7)". I stack 3 aces for the 5fth out of 7 players. I use what they call RRSRC procedure and you can check by yourself that the whole shuffling/cutting procedure lasts about 16 seconds. And it's just normal speed.

I've tried to record it from an above point of view and I pause for every round.

Not the greatest vid of my life, but it's just to show you



That was absolutely incredible. Hands down amazing.
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On 2009-09-27 16:48, Maitre D wrote:
Jmstrings, view the following video to get an idea of the level of skill on this forum that we enjoy watching, in terms of dealing trips in hold'em.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=121502425478251013

Now do you understand why your 70 second long face-up single-card run didn't really cut it for us? That's just not how things really work at a card table.

I think if you had introduced yourself on this forum and asked for constructive criticism, rather than boasting the video as some sort of informative "how-to" with complex X and Y variables, you would have received a much more pleasant response.

Best of luck,
-Nicholas


Oh yea ..there is something I see done all the time when playing cards..an individual takes trips and puts them on the deck then shuffles...seems like you guys have double standards if you think that is legit.
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On 2009-09-26 21:23, acesover wrote:

Come on how many of you can really do it and have it work the first time? Give the guy a break.


Count out how many people have disagreed with you or jm. About that many.
We don't care for sub-par work and this is a good example of said work.


If you can do it post a vid and lets see you do it.

I am not saying it is great or even magic. It is a cheat move in cards. I also mentioned that it would fly under certain conditions and I know it could under the right conditions. Look back and read where I mentioned the conditions. Is it great magic, is it great card moves? NO to both. It is a a cheat move in cards. End of stroy. It is not a performance.
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