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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18148 Posts 
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What really chaps my hide is when certain folks say without question "Exposure hasn't hurt Magic at all"....
Just look around! How many Tatto Parlours, Psychic Reader Shops, Strip Bars, Christian Science Bookstores, or Adult Theatres are around your town? (Not that I'm making any judgments at all about any of these) They eclipse the amount of live Magic venues! Why? Is it because exposure "Hasn't' hurt Magic at all? Really? How do these folks know exactly how much exposure has or hasn't hurt or helped. It's impossible to say. How can anyone be certain? Perhaps magic could be huge but people have just turned the other way. Nope... No Mystery remains.... The results are obvious. When there are magic shows all across every town and magic shops galore I might believe you ... But right now ... No way!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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JAlenS Inner circle Utah 1541 Posts
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Don't worry man..everything will be ok.
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Paul h. Special user MINDoverMETHOD 528 Posts
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Exposure has not hurt the adult industry for 100s of years, and they use magic wands too!!!!!!
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18148 Posts
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On 2009-09-26 20:20, Paul h. wrote: If it were only that simple
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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I agree, but the battle is long lost, I fear. For every post critical of exposure come about a dozen MAGICIANS explaining how: it will "be OK", is actually helpful, is ignored by idiot specs, isn't really exposure, has always been so, is entertaining (which is all that matters), is done by the big names, will be forgotten, etc. etc. etc.
Don't stress, man, chill out... hey, I don't mind them turning this boat deck into a giant swimming pool, but that water is a bit icy...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Ireland Loyal user Regina, Sask. Canada 217 Posts
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It has little to do with exposure..... far more people want a tattoo or to have a drink in a strip bar than want to see a magic trick!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27353 Posts
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On 2009-09-26 20:09, Psychic Samurai wrote: Even more fun when these people complain about tricks being explained and discussed in detail here on a magician's BBS.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18148 Posts
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I've calmed down now .. You guys are funny. Guess that's the way to look at it.
Just makes you want to say WTH and join them
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Irfaan Kahan Veteran user 346 Posts
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I've got 50 bucks . . .
Strip Bar or Card Trick . . . God, I hate easy decisions . . . Sex Sells - it just does.
I'm a Magician playing the part of an Actor
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Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts
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On 2009-09-28 00:06, Irfaan Kahan wrote: You could combine the two together.. How about using a "striper deck"? |
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Max Krause V.I.P. I should be creating magic with my 1188 Posts
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On 2009-09-28 00:06, Irfaan Kahan wrote: As a magician that worked at a strip club. So does magic.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3554 Posts
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Bad magic performed by amateurish magicians has hurt magic more than exposure has, but exposure has not helped one bit.
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts
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I agree with gaddy.
The reason most people don't go all gaga over magic is because of the horrible performances by kids and amateurs who are more interested in doing "tricks" than they are in performing magic. But IMO this is not the fault of the lousy performers, it's the fault of magic book publishers and trick peddlers. Book after book is filled with tricks. "Performance ideas" and tips are generally nothing more than a minor addition, and tend to be so laughable and poorly thought out that they are justifiably ignored. Exposure hasn't helped because they expose the tricks that most magicians do. Fortunately, you can't expose magic. Good performers who do magic and not tricks will always be in demand. |
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stempleton Inner circle 1443 Posts
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Dmkraig- I agree with your comment regarding the publishers and peddlers. My pet peeve is advertising with guarantees "you'll be performing this in 5 minutes, "self-working," etc. Performance-ready requires so much more.
I actually love to see young magicians perform, but I wish some would go through "friendly fire" first. I watched a 15-year old perform a crystal cube production this weekend. I applauded his fortitude to allow the volunteer to hold it, but someone should have told him to watch the angles from the bottom, particularly since he was performing on an elevated stage. And by the way, even though exposure has completely trampled the linking rings, I saw 4 routines by 4 different performers, and all got good response. Yes, there is a wide difference between "magic" and "tricks." |
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Mark Boody Illusionist Inner circle 1371 Posts
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Some people when they know the method, still can't figere it out when performed entertainingly ( is that a word? ). Several years ago when I owned a small magic shop one of my favorite demo's was the cups & balls. You know the cheap plastic set w/ little pom pom balls.
When I perform it I "steal" the e*** b*** , so they can examine all 3 cups & all 3 balls. I once performed it & afterwards a spectator commented he had that same exact trick, but his didn't "work" that way! Because something was missing to make the trick work. Sometimes when they know, they really DON'T know!! Mark
Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible. Frank L. Gaines
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2396 Posts
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On 2009-09-28 15:53, stempleton wrote: I perform the Linking Rings in almost every show I do. Sometimes when I begin I will get kids that say, "Oh, I saw how this was done on TV (or the internet, etc.)!" But by the middle of the routine the same kids are saying with jaw open, "What the....?" 
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts
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When your Magic isn't just "tricks" these worries will dissipate. Till then you are a sitting duck.
You know why don't act naive.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts
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On 2009-09-28 00:06, Irfaan Kahan wrote: Often times tricks go with strip bars..Oh wait you said Card Trick....
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts
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On 2009-09-28 05:57, gaddy wrote: I'm with ya'.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3554 Posts
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Thanks guys for agreeing with me. This is just another way of saying that we magicians need to "make sure our own houses are in order 1st." if you catch my drift.
Then we can work on effective strategies to counter the negative effect of exposure on our shows and effects.
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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