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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
So what some of you are suggesting is that Polanski was originally facing 4 charges involving drugging a minor and then having sex with her and that three of these charges were going to be dropped if he pled guilty to the 4th charge (or a reduced charge?) and then no jail time?
Doesn't sound quite right. I can't believe that anyone can have sex with a minor and drugging up a minor before such sex, being convicted of that charge (or a reduced charge) and then facing no jail time. I'd like to find out the details involving why the judge refused to accept the proposed plea bargain and whether or not the plea bargain had been accepted by the judge and then the judge backed out of allowing the agreement. Was the plea agreement perhaps conditionally accepted by the judge subject to something else (i.e.,like receiving the presentence report or a probation report, etc. and finding it or the underlying facts in the case) being determined to be acceptable to the judge for such a proposed plea deal. It'll be interesting to see how the facts in this case unfold.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I found this article very informative, especially on Polanski's motivation for fleeing:
http://genestewart.blogspot.com/2008/06/......red.html |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Where would everybody land if he wasn't a darling of the left?
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I think it is much ado about nothing....
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
In the grand scale of things, it does not matter what the victim thinks. In criminal cases the district attorney, the chief law enforcement officer in a U.S. county, has the final say on who and who does not get arrested and stand trial.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 03:03, stoneunhinged wrote: I'm no expert on law or on the facts of this case, but it seems clear from this thread and what is getting reported in some news reports and on some blogs that some people have made up their minds without even looking at the history of the case. I hope more people look at your link (and the ones I posted previously) as they do list facts a number of people seem unaware of.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Here's another straightforward article outlining the main issues:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/09/30/f-vp-champ.html John
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
First off.
This article is one sided. There are ALWAYS three sides to every story, what he said, what she said and what really happened. From the writing it is obvious the author is sided with Polanski, maybe not all the way but a fair bit on his side. Secondly: Running as he did is not justified. We have a judicial system and Mr. Polanski did not let it work. A judge does not have accept a plea agreement or even a verdict from a jury. There are ways to appeal a decision and I am sure his attorneys were capable of getting that ruling overturned. Third; He gives a 13 year old champagne and qualudes to loosen her up and then had sex with her not to mention possible international flight. Am I missing anything here? Fourth: Why the hell wasn't the mother arrested and tried?
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I've been curious about one thing. I seem to remember a Law Enforcement Professional coming to my school in junior high and telling us that the statute of limitations on felony statutory rape was six or seven years.
I don't understand what's going on in that context. Don't get me wrong, I think that what he did is terrible and deserves punishment, I just don't understand the legal whatsits.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 18:00, Dreadnought wrote: To which of the 5 linked articles do you refer?
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 18:06, critter wrote: This is from wikipedia. A lawyer can comment on whether it is an accurate definition or not. "A statute of limitations is a statute in a common law legal system that sets forth the maximum period of time, after certain events, that legal proceedings based on those events may be initiated." In this case, proceedings were initiated a long time ago.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Okey dokey.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Back before the woman (then a girl) was known the rumor was that her mother was a very well known entertainment type and that is why they were so secretive. I still don't know who or what status her mother held. Kind of like Danny Sugarman who was very protective of his fathers identity due to his being an entertainment attorney.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 19:57, MagicSanta wrote: Her mother was Susan Gailey, "the radiant blonde who marched through the car lots in all those commercials singing the most indelible jingle of the era: "You'll always get your way-aay/At Ourisman Chev-ro-let!" The ads, an instant sensation, got her dubbed "Washington's only sex symbol." She was mobbed in local restaurants, recognized on the street as far away as Paris." See here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con......227.html
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 03:38, Doug Higley wrote: Ahem! I'm a left-leaner and I think he should be brought back to face the music.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2009-09-28 07:17, Davit Sicseek wrote: I'm not defending Polanski, but I just noticed something in your comment. Are you sure you even know what a paedophile is? Because, technically, a paedophile is someone with a sexual preference for prepubescent children. That does not describe Polanski here. The girl in this case was most definitely NOT a prepubescent child. (In a probation report for the case, the girl was described by Huston as "one of those kind of little chicks between — could be any age up to 25. She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing".) Polanski would probably be more accurately described as a hebephile or ephebephile, someone who has a sexual preference for pubescent youths or older adolescents. Incidentally, I was just reading over at Pajamas Media that California's Governor, Arnold Schwarzennegger, shares something with Polanski in this regard. Google the name "Gigi Goyette".
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 18:10, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: The one from Stone. Also in terms of statute of limitations: rape and pretty much all sexual based offenses have a seven year statute. As Balducci states, the legal proceedings had already started so the statute is moot. There is also the case of the warrant issued for his arrest, arrest warrants stay active until the arrest is effected.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Say...the mother was adorable.... '77, good year, glad to hear the statute if limitations is over, I can breath easier....dang good year.
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2009-09-30 21:11, balducci wrote: Balducci, Not strictly accurate unless you are insisting on a medical diagnosis of a psychological disorder. The common ordinary everyday definition of pedophile includes sexual abuse of either or both prepubescent and pubescent children In law enforcement, the term refers to anyone who sexually abuses a child. Also, "in common usage, the term refers to any adult who is sexually attracted to children or who sexually abuses a child." (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia and various dictionary definitions.) But really, the gravamen of the question is: Does it really make Polanski's conduct any the less onerous or repulsive if the child victim happens to be one or two years past prepubescence? If it makes you happy, I'll dispense with the use of the term pedophile and just call Polanski what he is: A sexual predator who drugged and then who sexually (and psychologically and emotionally) abused a defenseless 13 year old child. I certainly don't want to get hung up on a definition and thereby cloud the issue about the true character of this despicable example of human flotsam.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
"Does it really make Polanski's conduct any the less onerous or repulsive if the child victim happens to be one or two years past prepubescence?"
Perhaps not but, on the other hand, I suspect it would be worse and far more repulsive to many if it the victim had been, say, a 4 year old child.
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