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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2239 Posts |
The only two bad reviews came from the creator of the QB 2.0 and the writer of the directions for the QB 2.0 . You can't make a decision off of their reviews (I'm not saying you guys aren't being honest). Besides, when it comes down to what's important, you want a device that'll bend coins in real time without being seen. They've all said it does its job. Now all you have to decide is if you want to spend $300 or $30 to do the exact same job. Sure everyone wants a really nice car, but they all do the same thing and you can still get a really nice car for way cheaper than the nicest. For $30 dollars you can buy it and see if you like it. If you don't, you sell it on here for a bit less, get most of your money back and get a QB 2.0 . I'm sure that if you wanted a QB 2.0 and it cost $330 you'd still buy it. Buy ACB and if you don't like it then buy QB 2.0 and it's like you paid $30 for QB 2.0 .
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Jv Regular user 136 Posts |
@PatrickGregoire I agree with your post! I'm not saying that their thoughts and feelings about 'ACB' are not honest, but coming from the two [one being the creator of QB 2.0 and the other being the write of the directions for QB 2.0] who have worked on BEST coin-bender on the market, their thoughts are 'slightly' more biased...I mean whos thoughts wouldn't if they created/released the BEST coin-bender out there!
I respect both JTSmagic [John Sheets] and omnibozo and am NOT bashing them in anyway, nor would I. I'm just stating my thoughts and feelings and that's all. No disrespect. Hope you guys understand! Jv
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2009-12-30 04:12, Jv wrote: I think too it's quite below them (the QB2 guys) to review a competitor's item. Look, they have a FINE product. It's way above and beyond anything that could come down the road yet they seem to be paranoid. Coin bender enthusiasts are either going to spend $500 or they are not. Have some class, leave your competition alone. In the least just try and get some confederates in to slam the competition. Get some one else to do your dirty work. J |
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Judah Vee Special user of the JV Naughty Vanish.... 884 Posts |
Now hold on....
I just went thru this whole thread and nowhere did I find John (JTSmagic) giving a bad review of ACB. He has not said much of anything about ACB except that he would like to hear comparisons. He even wishes well to other coin bender makers. So lets keep it straight...... There was only a review from omnibozo that couldn't even really be construed as BAD. it was more informative and even TELLS you that you should buy ACB, albeit to learn the timing and misdirection. And at least he TOLD us he was in on QB2. He could have kept quiet about it and just gave the review. And yes, I bought ACB, from OmniBozo. -J-
I don't care how fast or slow you are.... As long as I am faster.. -J-
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
I didn't take either post by John sheets or omniboz as negative. There is no comparison between the 2 products, it's like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Dodge Neon. Both will get you to your destination, with the Rolls having more amenities and luxuries. It is a lopsided comparison.
But don't construe that as being negative, ABC will bend your coins!!
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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Jv Regular user 136 Posts |
@lunatik EXACTLY! Both will bend your coins...
@johncesta I would love to read your thoughts and feelings about 'ACB', as this is still on top of my 'must-haves'! Jv
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Steveblackwell New user 99 Posts |
I got this and let’s give credit where credit is due.
Don’t expect 007 stuff here, but son of a gun this thing bends coins with the best of them. This thread could go on forever with comparisons of this and that which won’t change anybodys mind on anything. If you ask me, the most equivalent bender to A.C.B. is Coinvexed. Superman is no closer to A.C.B. than Superman is to Coinvexed. I will guess that is what the writer of QB2 meant by “style” and “ilk”. I am most impressed with the routines. great unseen bends. To anyone with Coinvexed, these are exactly what you’ll want if you don’t like the two coin routine that comes with Coinvexed. It’s a bargain and it really works well. |
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Jv Regular user 136 Posts |
Ok, I'm in...just about to press the 'Buy' button...
Jv
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
It was said on the first post ( and ad ) " INVISIBLE Bend™ capabilities - The ability to bend the borrowed, signed coin in real time with no sign or indication of bending while the audiences eyes are fixed on you, burning you the entire time".
Everyone that has ACB believes that? I'm not saying a skilled sleight of hand performer couldn't make that happen. But, you'd have to be very skilled. If you aren't, the DVD is a small step on your way to perhaps becoming that one day ( with lots of mishaps along the way ). The ad says "the ability for someone relatively new to magic to be able to bend a signed coin in real time with little skill required - and astound audiences!" This claim is ridiculous. You aren't holding out a coin or some small object.. It's two gimmicks, one in each hand. The average person buying this ( I hope to attain average status someday ) is not going to feel this is practical or a true statement in the ad ( IMHO ). The ad also says "ncludes DVD and Gaffs". That's a big stretch. Yes, you get a DVD. but not actual bending gaffs. It should read "includes detailed instructions on how to construct the bending gaffs". That would be more accurate. Chris
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Magi51 New user 57 Posts |
Hi Chris,
in response, the Invisible capabilities are that the bending takes place without looking like you are bending something. This is and was a big emphasis for me in this project. If someone is staring right at you when you do it, nothing should trigger "he just did a move" or "he just bent it". I am hopeful that that makes sense. People used to doing real time bends I hope can understand what I am trying to say. Regarding the little skill required, not all of the routines are intended for this. But a few routines are designed to be as easy as ever possible. With some there is no holding out anything with no visible bending actions. These do not require much more than the ability to talk and present. For many of the other routines, the gimmick is hidden or disguised. Give a few things a chance, I think you'll see they are very doable and also have the versatility to be tweeked if you want to modify the routines to fit your style. I would be happy to help if I can. Please PM me if you or anyone else has any questions. I really do appreciate people's comments here. I know you can't please everyone. There is a lot put into this and I hope you all can see and appreciate what this ACB makes possible and available, and the value it has. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I'm sure many others will love the product and I'll bow out now and let them review. Thanks for being accessible on the forum for questions.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Tennispro Regular user 121 Posts |
I have Coinvexed 2 and I like it BUT had ACB been on the market at the time I would have bought it first. The BOTTOM line is BENDING COINS and the next bottom line is WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST. All benders require some type of misdirection and if you have any ability as a magician at all you should be able to do that. So the real bottom line is WHAT IS THE BEST PRICE for what you want to achieve. It looks to me like ACB is it. I'll have to get it and compare to Coinvexed 2 and report on that. As for paying $400-$500 for a coinbender (QB), I can't see that making much sense. Yes maybe QB is a Rolls Royce BUT if I can get to the same place at pretty much the same speed with a VW how does it make sense using that much more money that I can use for other items?
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On 2009-12-30 22:46, Tennispro wrote: it's like using a deck of plastic cards to do your magic instead of some Bikes. Night and day difference. Can you use plastic cards? Will you be able to perform your favorite effects? sure!! Would you rather be using a deck of Bicycles? You bet your bottom dollar you would lol It's like using a shovel instead of a backhoe to dig a ditch Both will get the job done, but the backhoe sure makes it a lot easier! Save up you pennies, pick up a QB2 and you will see what everyone has been talking about. You won't regret it!
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2009-12-30 22:46, Tennispro wrote: Yes, all benders need some kind of misdirection. And for a smooth & convincing misdirection, right under the nose of the spectator, one needs a bender that has a few more characteristics built into them. The few important characteristics being:- (a) Deception (b) Camouflage & concealment (c) Easy to handle & use with least effort And to implement the above, the designer/ creator has to put in a lot of thought and hours of brainstorming along with their many years of experience. This is followed by many hours of trials & errors. Only then a so called perfect prop fulfilling the above conditions is brought into the market & is happily accepted by the public. And for that (I personally believe) price is not the only governing criteria. Such benders automatically conceal themselves while in the open & right in the face of the spectator(s). Thus greatly eliminating the pressure of misdirection during the performance & while the heat is on. IMHO, as on date, there are only three such props (irrespective of price) that fulfill the above criteria. Namely:- 1. QB2 2. Terminator wallet 3. CoinVexed & CoinVexed-2 P.S. And probably the ACB - I have yet to see it. The above benders, IMHO, are a well thought out props. And, if one is only concerned about the price factor, HERE is one of the cheapest benders that will do what a bender needs to do - Bend Coins! The bender is very easy to use & conceal. Use your skills of misdirection & be happy. These are just my personal thoughts! I have nothing, for or against, any of the coin benders.
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John T. Sheets Inner circle Las Vegas, USA 1105 Posts |
PatrickGregoire and johncesta,
I'd like to set the record straight. Nowhere on this thread have I posted ANY kind of a reveiw about the Absolute Coin Bender, much less a negative review. I have NOT slammed anyone or anyones product! I have NOT and will NOT review this product, as I DO have enough class not to review a competitors product. The only thing that I have said about the ACB, is that I'd like to hear a comparison from someone who has spent some time with it.
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See the "Quantum Bender 3.0" trailer here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTVw9FjonE See my Dove Act here... https://youtu.be/Ms7_u46Qpp0 See the "Energy Bender" trailer here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJOfL0k8xA See the "Table of Death" in Las Vegas trailer here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YivizLAKD7I |
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Magi51 New user 57 Posts |
JTSheets I would have pointed that out in my earlier post, but Judah Vee beat me to it.
Making comparisons when buying anything is important, but in my opinion, I do not know if comparing the two would be fair to either product. It will only bring the QB2 down to be comparable to benders at much lower prices, or pit the ACB against a product at a price point that isn’t feasible for the ACB at its price. Let me try to explain, The quality, features, design of the QB2 are huge aspects and are not going to be one-to-one with the ACB. But the QB2 is at a price that isn’t one-to-one with the ACB either. To use the car analogy brought up, if you were going to buy a car, you’d want to compare all cars in your price range. If $20k was your range and someone said you’d be better off with a Rolls Royce than the car you want at $20K. A Rolls Royce is built better, it runs smoother, it’s much higher quality. That might be the case, but the Royce isn’t priced at $20k. It has a more expensive price because it has more expensive amenities than $20k cars do. But with all the quality and amenities, you still won’t consider it because of the price. On the other side, if a Rolls Royce is in your price range and someone said, you should get some $20K car instead. This $20K car does all the same things for a fraction of the price, plus it has a number of features the Royce doesn’t have, like a sun roof, more cup holders, and dual exhaust. This may be the case, but it doesn’t mean the two cars are one-to-one. If the Royce is in your price range, it is probably what you’ll be happiest with in the end. If you were going to compare, you’d focus comparisons on cars in the same price range. That is when you can measure the value and weigh the benefits for the dollar amount you are spending. This isn’t as easy in magic though. The QB2 and the ACB are not “either…or…” products. As I have said earlier in this thread and to anyone who has PMed me. I highly recommend the QB2 and CV2. And my hopes are that owners of these and other benders will benefit from their purchase of the ACB. If you already own a bender you like, consider the ACB as something that can help you use it in new ways. If you don’t own a bender, then with the ACB you’ll have a nice working bender and plenty of methods and routines for it. Thank you guys for your support and to those who’ve purchased it or considering it. |
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omnibozo Regular user Boulder, CO 151 Posts |
Ah... but none of these coin bending methods are about bending coins... they are about creating mystery and astonishment... in the movie business we call that the "lean forward moment."
The critical element in the routine is creating that moment in a manner that as completely as possible disguises the method of getting there. Do all of the methods discussed here bend coins, yes. Do they equally well contribute to disguising the method, no. As far as reviewing competitor's products... QB2 isn't my product. I'm a user... sure I have a little higher interest in the product and the producer than many users, but I'm a user. I am not a full time magic performer... but I've carried and used QB every single day, all day, for about five years. Ever see car commercials comparing makes? Pain medications? Paper towels? Plastic wrap? Any extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. ACB claimed. We are discussing the evidence here. |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Good points magi51. I think if someone has $500 but only wants to spend $30, cool. But if can spend up to $500, then the QB2 would be the best bender money could buy.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Actually the end result is what counts, your correct. BUT you are incorrect in that if I can perform the effect easier and it's more deceptive, the QB 2 is hands down the winner.
No reason to respond to the ditch analagy, see above. As for saving all that money, I will still buy ALL the effects I want if you don't have a good job to afford such things, get a part time job at 7-11 until you can purchase it
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2009-12-31 13:04, lunatik wrote: Not neccesarily. Too ME and MY way of performing and I've never bent a key, Coinvexed is going to be the way to go. So your's is only one man's opinion. (I've always liked the idea of the TT and putting it right under the specs nose.) Personally I think QB2 is one of the most sophisticated magic props out there. It is certainly a WELL MADE item. J |
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