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euro76
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Hello guys
I just joined (yesterday)=)
I look through posts and I really like that you guys posted
thank you all

n e way,
I heard that some1 could control all 52 cards, is it possible?
well, I know that you don't need to control all 52 when you move to cheat; however, I read a book that is about casino dealers who can control all 52 cards.
then, he can put in the shoe for only dealer can win while play blackjack.
just curious ^_^

1 more,
during shuffles (for cold stacking), can you send some card to at specific location? for example, while I am riffling, I glimsed A's and K's locating at 7th and 11th position on left hand (right hand hold half of top packets and left has bottom packets), I want those A&K for bottom for bottom dealing. what should I do?
well, if I do several shuffling, I am sure I can do that but I want it to be fast.
during game, you cannot shuffle for 5 mins...right?

thank you n e way
good luck you all ^^v
peace
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What is all the " ^^v" stuff? Is english your main language? No issue if it isn't.
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One can do a full deck false shuffle keeping the 52 in the order they were. One can not shuffle 52 into any order. At least this one can't.
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I think he mean a set deck to win at bj, which would depend on of the player plays a certain way. Wouldn't it-to a degree?
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On 2009-10-26 14:50, euro76 wrote:
1 more,
during shuffles (for cold stacking), can you send some card to at specific location? for example, while I am riffling, I glimsed A's and K's locating at 7th and 11th position on left hand (right hand hold half of top packets and left has bottom packets), I want those A&K for bottom for bottom dealing. what should I do?
well, if I do several shuffling, I am sure I can do that but I want it to be fast.
during game, you cannot shuffle for 5 mins...right?


Get "Thanks to Zarrow" by Jerry Sadowitz, or if you can, "The Unreal Work" by Jason England/Paul R. Wilson. They have work that touches directly on this. Using Sadowitz's method you could get the cards to the bottom in 2 shuffles (and a cut).
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On 2009-10-26 16:37, splice wrote:
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On 2009-10-26 14:50, euro76 wrote:
1 more,
during shuffles (for cold stacking), can you send some card to at specific location? for example, while I am riffling, I glimsed A's and K's locating at 7th and 11th position on left hand (right hand hold half of top packets and left has bottom packets), I want those A&K for bottom for bottom dealing. what should I do?
well, if I do several shuffling, I am sure I can do that but I want it to be fast.
during game, you cannot shuffle for 5 mins...right?


Get "Thanks to Zarrow" by Jerry Sadowitz, or if you can, "The Unreal Work" by Jason England/Paul R. Wilson. They have work that touches directly on this. Using Sadowitz's method you could get the cards to the bottom in 2 shuffles (and a cut).


The Unreal Work has stopped its production, hard to get.
I will look for thx to zarrow but I really don't like whatever with "Zarrow" in it, especially, "Zarrow shuffle".

Thank you
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On 2009-10-26 15:37, kcg5 wrote:
What is all the " ^^v" stuff? Is english your main language? No issue if it isn't.


well, you r right, English is not my mother tongue.
by the way, "^^v" is a Emoticon (not sure this is an english) is simmilar as "=)"
"^" refers eye shape, so "^^" is smiling and whatever comes beside eyes(^) is hand(s)
so this is "v^^v" double peace. you can make with a face like v(^^)v or you can make disappointed face as (-_-)

maybe it's my country thing heh~
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Full deck controls are possible through false shuffles (push through, up the ladder, gambler's cut, zarrow shuffle), and false overhand shuffle techniques
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On 2009-10-26 18:47, ImpromptuBoy wrote:
Full deck controls are possible through false shuffles (push through, up the ladder, gambler's cut, zarrow shuffle), and false overhand shuffle techniques


cannot say it is "control" for false cuts&shuffles.
I want the 52 card in order by control.
let say there is 5 throw poker and 3 time changes cards for each player, in this case, even if there are 4 players, most of 52 cards will be used.
I want to control that.
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Throw poker? "Changes cards"? Controlling all 52 cards?

You have a lot of learning to do, son. Better get at it.
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Perhaps you should start with the basics.

With time, you'll realize nearly anything is possible.
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Sorry, forgot that you weren't a native english speaker. Neither am I, but I guess that doesn't matter.

Controlling all 52 cards is overkill and completely unnecessary in any game you can think of. Starting with a randomized deck and ending up with 52 cards in the order you want in a reasonable shuffling procedure is a pipe dream. Thinking that you need to do that to cheat or win is level -1 thinking. Learn to play the games straight first, and you may figure out how to work a reasonable advantage instead of dreaming of impossible things.

Or just learn to cold deck.
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Splice, maybe, one day, just possibly, with the law of 'eventually it will happen' the cards maybe just happen to fall into the order he wants with one shuffle! THAT would be awesome and would only require about 4 billion, 258 million 362 thousand 958 shuffles to happen! (give or take!) So it is possible Smile

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Daz, I remember seeing a topic on here about the math of that idea, but I can't find it and I don't remember the conclusion the posters came to. Your figure seemed very low to me so I decided to do the math myself.

Randomly shuffling a deck of cards into a specific order would be calculated as 1/52 * 1/51 * 1/50 * ... 1/2 * 1/1 which is equivalent to the calculator-friendly expression "1/(52!)." If this is right, which I think it is, the actual probability would be roughly 1 in 8 * 10^67. In other words, an 8 with sixty-seven 0's behind it.

Just for kicks:

Exactly 1 in 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000.
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You could do it with magic.
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On 2009-10-27 15:55, splice wrote:

Controlling all 52 cards is overkill and completely unnecessary in any game you can think of. Starting with a randomized deck and ending up with 52 cards in the order you want in a reasonable shuffling procedure is a pipe dream. Thinking that you need to do that to cheat or win is level -1 thinking. Learn to play the games straight first, and you may figure out how to work a reasonable advantage instead of dreaming of impossible things.

Or just learn to cold deck.


well, I am new in this magiccafe, not for gambling moves.

I know cold deck is the best way to get money but I was questioned myself that how can I control as many cards as possible? instead of cold deck.
I might be able to control 10 to 20 cards by shuffles but it takes many shuffles as controling many cards.
if it is possible, there will be no need to do cold deck right?

cold deck, mucking, and bottom deal could leave evidence that you have cheated.
Stacking? no evidence, maybe can be spotted by riffling sound, but sound cannot be a evidence.
John Scarne also said "A cheater who has perfected riffle stacking is by all means the most dangerous of adversaries".

I am studying for cold stacking, I want it to be more efficient and perfect, I want double duke in 5 cards game and 7 cards game, I want triple duke and quad duke.
that is why I asked for possibility for 52 cards control.

give me some resources or tips or hints to control 52.

thank you
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On 2009-10-27 18:42, euro76 wrote:
John Scarne also said "A cheater who has perfected riffle stacking is by all means the most dangerous of adversaries".


And Erdnase said "The possibilities of the riffle, for all practical purposes at the card table, are limited to retaining the top or bottom stock".

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give me some resources or tips or hints to control 52.


We already have.
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On 2009-10-27 18:42, euro76 wrote:
I was questioned myself that how can I control as many cards as possible? instead of cold deck.
I might be able to control 10 to 20 cards by shuffles but it takes many shuffles as controling many cards.


I think the problem here is you weren't able to clearly express what you were asking, but the above statement popped out to me as it might be what you were trying to convey this whole time.

Let's clarify one thing, you initially asked how to "control all 52 cards." That statement nearly always refers to using a full-deck false shuffle to preserve the order they were already in. This is why people kept referring you to use a Zarrow shuffle and other false shuffles.

I think what you might be trying to say is more along the lines of "how can I locate and cull any card in the deck?" Or, "what is the limit to how many cards can be culled in a shuffle?"

Am I right? If so, your question makes for an interesting discussion.
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One could using strippers etc control quite a few I guess.
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Or simply shuffle the cards face-up for 2 minutes. Smile
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