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On 2009-10-30 01:49, The Dowser wrote:

I don't want your money, If I did I would play in your game. You would learn as much then as you are learning now.



It was not for you Dowser, sir
it was for Blackeagle that he seems treat me as ******* and it hurted me.
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I really thank you for your threads and read it carefully.

When I decided to give up and laying in the bed, my head filled up with all 52 cards and it seems to be possible.

I understand what you have said and I respect it.
I am not ignoring you, I am just hungry for cold stacking
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On 2009-10-30 00:33, The Dowser wrote:
There was a time when card counting seemed "extremely impractical and esoteric" until someone published a book...


Ouch.

Dowser, I understand the philosophy that anything is possible, but I'm also a believer in realistic human limits. Nobody can jump 20 feet without assistance, nobody can run a 1 minute mile, nobody can throw something into outer-space - things like that. Perhaps one of us is misinterpreting what euro is really trying to achieve here.

From what I understand, euro is asking if it's possible to cull and stack 6 specific cards on the fly during and only during an RRSRC procedure without the use of strippers, crimps, marks, bottom deals, etc. I'd love to stand corrected, but I just can't find it possible that so many cards be culled and stacked, let alone found in the first place, in only 3 riffles, a strip and a cut.

Sure, you could get a head start with pick-up stacks, but I think even that's out of bounds from the set of conditions euro is giving.

This is why I referred to this as impractical and esoteric - a cheater wanting to do exactly what euro is describing wouldn't say to himself when given the opportunity, "no, I won't take advantage of a pick-up stack, and no I won't bottom deal the card I need, and no I won't use strippers." Even if it were a magician performing this, there are a hell of a lot easier and more reliable ways to achieve the same effect - hence the reason why I'm deeming it as impractical.

Like I mentioned earlier, it's plenty advantageous to simply know your opponents hole-cards since you're going to be sighting them during this procedure anyway.
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I did not see that it had now cone right down to Six cards. Six come within the bounds of casino procedure shuffle which is;

Scramble : Riffle : Riffle : Strip : Riffle : Cut

You would havea to be lucky to start with and you would have to strentch the scamble procedure a little bit.

It depends what you meann by; Desired Cards and Tripple Duke and A Hand and all of that. Its hard to understand what he is talking about.
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Dowser, I understand the philosophy that anything is possible...

I was not speculating as to what might be possible. I said it is being done.

I think though that you guys are yourself reading more into what is being discussed here based on the methods you have in your magicians tool box, none of which seem to fit.

Culling cards on the fly doesn't always mean peaking them during the riffle. There are many opportunities that exist in which to assess the condition of the deck ranging from squaring the muck, to getting information from your agent, to seeing the cards that remain face up at the show down (including the board), to counting down the stub, to simply executing a cut.
A single cut at the right spot with a three card leeway can stack the bottom card into the flop even when the deck comes out of a shuffle machine. This can then be signaled to your agent who will act accordingly. Sounds simple don't it? But if I didn't just tell you how you would not believe that a stack can be executed right out of the machine (more than one card can be done too) because you simply didn't know the method. You are imagining super human feats when a COMPLETE understanding of the game and the deal is all that is required. Cards can be held in reserve during multiple rounds and added to at will. If a cut out of the machine can put two known cards on the flop... what can a Riffle, Strip, Riffle, Riffle, Cut do?

I'll tell you:

It can stack known hole cards to every patron at the table as well as four out of five cards on the flop.

It can stack quintuple dukes in a ten handed game.

It can make players think they are present at a historic event.
That is what can be done.
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We all know that. We however were addressing what the fellow asked for, which was to do it from stone cold.


You can put in a cooler if you like and not have to cull any cards at all but that is not what is asking about neither.
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So you mean he was asking if it was possible to stack while wearing a blindfold?


Stone cold means on the fly without a prearranged (cold) deck, no? "A shuffled deck in use" as it were.

If one of the conditions is that you must ignore information available to you during the course of the deal then I do not see the point.
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If that is the case then I must finally agree with you. It is impractical to control 52 cards using a STEVENS CULL. (I didn't realize that was the question). Hell Stevens himself got sore at the suggestion of four cards... nope... sighting 52 cards and blocking them off during a riffle, strip, riffle, riffle is just not practical.
Ya got me there.
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Hallelujah.

Euro, we've come to a consensus.
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Smile I was not out to get you Dowser Smile Merely trying to explain whare we were comming from with our answers, as you seemed to be saying we did not know what we talking about. I am still not sure really if he was actully asking what he seemed to me to be asking. I did not mean to sound like I was saying you were giving any wrong or bad advice at all and I agreed with all of that. Anyway I didn't mean any offence. Sorry if I have not been clear about what I was trying to say to you.
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YOU never need to apologize to me Tommy. I can be quite arrogant and braggadocios when I have insomnia and I come on the forum at six a.m. 'cuz I'm bored and cranky and can't sleep.

Thanks anyway though,... I wish we all could disagree in as polite a manner as you do.
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On 2009-11-01 07:05, The Dowser wrote:
YOU never need to apologize to me Tommy. I can be quite arrogant and braggadocios when I have insomnia and I come on the forum at six a.m. 'cuz I'm bored and cranky and can't sleep.

Thanks anyway though,... I wish we all could disagree in as polite a manner as you do.

its a part of your job....lol Smile
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Iamslow:
I must be the one who is slow because I don't get it.
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