|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6 [Next] | ||||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Horse Camel Sheep Goat
4 0 0 0 The best combination possible: Good luck, happiness, and good health 0 4 0 0 All your wishes will come true 0 0 4 0 Everlasting luck 0 0 0 4 Others might try to harm you, better be careful 3 1 0 0 One will come or arrive soon 3 0 1 0 There are no obstacles on your way 3 0 0 1 Everything is evenly successful 2 1 1 0 Happiness 2 0 1 1 Good luck 2 1 0 1 Your business will show to be fruitful in the short run 2 2 0 0 Your work will be successful 2 0 2 0 Your goals will be fulfilled 2 0 0 2 Some obstacles will come 1 3 0 0 Long-lasting happiness 1 0 3 0 Your side is safe 1 0 0 3 Gossips and quarrels 1 2 1 0 More gossips and bad quarrels 1 1 2 0 Someone else will benefit from your work 1 1 0 2 Good health and happiness 1 0 2 1 No difficulties 1 2 0 1 You will get good news 1 1 1 1 Very good 0 2 1 1 It's not clear that everything will be successful 0 2 2 0 Things are on your side, but not completely 0 2 0 2 No problems 0 1 2 1 Unsuccessful 0 1 1 2 Everything is on others' side 0 1 3 0 Misfortune 0 1 0 3 Outside force will influence you 0 0 3 1 Your business will be successful most of the time 0 0 2 2 Success 0 0 1 3 Bad luck Camel-Horse-Sheep-Goat |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Found another source about bone fortune telling here.
http://www.isvroma.it/public/pecus/holmgren.pdf Seems that I'm monologuing here. |
|||||||||
julieannjohnson Veteran user 305 Posts |
It looks like your version of Complicated Forune Telling,
(Shagai) is defective. I've put the results in more logical numerical order so you can see what I mean. There seem to be three lines MISSING. Please check my work, because I am not sure, but something seems off here. Horse Camel Sheep Goat 4+0+0+0 (4) 4 0 0 0 The best combination possible: Good luck, happiness, and good health 0 4 0 0 All your wishes will come true 0 0 4 0 Everlasting luck 0 0 0 4 Others might try to harm you, better be careful 3+1+0+0 (12, but 2 are MISSING) 3 1 0 0 One will come or arrive soon 3 0 1 0 There are no obstacles on your way 3 0 0 1 Everything is evenly successful 1 3 0 0 Long-lasting happiness 1 0 3 0 Your side is safe 1 0 0 3 Gossips and quarrels 0 3 0 1 MISSING 0 3 1 0 MISSING 0 1 3 0 Misfortune 0 1 0 3 Outside force will influence you 0 0 3 1 Your business will be successful most of the time 0 0 1 3 Bad luck 2+2+0+0 (6) 2 2 0 0 Your work will be successful 2 0 2 0 Your goals will be fulfilled 2 0 0 2 Some obstacles will come 0 2 2 0 Things are on your side, but not completely 0 2 0 2 No problems 0 0 2 2 Success 2+1+1+0 (12, but one is MISSING) 2 1 1 0 Happiness 2 1 0 1 Your business will show to be fruitful in the short run 2 0 1 1 Good luck 1 2 1 0 More gossips and bad quarrels 1 2 0 1 You will get good news 1 1 2 0 Someone else will benefit from your work 1 1 0 2 Good health and happiness 1 0 2 1 No difficulties 1 0 1 2 MISSING 0 2 1 1 It's not clear that everything will be successful 0 1 2 1 Unsuccessful 0 1 1 2 Everything is on others' side 1+1+1+1 (1) 1 1 1 1 Very good Total 4+12+6+12+1=35 BUT THREE ARE MISSING The logical answer to this math problem is 36, but one answer is not allowed ( 0 0 0 0 ), which is why there should be 35 results. Your list gives but 32. |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Yes, some are missing in the pattern list.
I gonna look for other sources. In 2001, Nicolas,one of the Surnateum team member did an expedition in Mongolia and brought me back a small box with various items: 4 shagais, 2 Mongolian Dice (they're different from ours), buddhist amulets... I finally dig it out. Another nice set for exhibition/performance. Also, the shagais are colored in Blue (Tengri: the Sky), Red (the people), Yellow (color of the Soyombo), White. Interpretation of the oracle may slightly vary according to the colors of the bones and their position after the throw. |
|||||||||
Bill Ligon Inner circle A sure sign of a misspent youth: 6437 Posts |
All four sources that I have consulted list only thirty-two possible outcomes. Can it be that those three that are not listed are simply ignored? Have they been lost?
Author of THE HOLY ART: Bizarre Magick From Naljorpa's Cave. NOW IN HARDCOVER! VIEW: <BR>www.lulu.com/content/1399405 ORDER: http://stores.lulu.com/naljorpa
<BR>A TASSEL ON THE LUNATIC FRINGE |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
The dice in the box are used for a kind of MO divination, a buddhist variation on dice fortune telling.
Mongolian dice differ from ours: 6 faces 3, 5 faces 1, 2 faces 4. |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
On the same Mongolian shop, I found this nice buddhist astrological chart/Talisman (in Tibetan...)
And a small Mongolian Tsakli representing the fierce 4 armed Mahakala. I'm preparing a small set with the Shagai box. |
|||||||||
Bill Ligon Inner circle A sure sign of a misspent youth: 6437 Posts |
I am green with envy, Curator! Those are beautiful!
Author of THE HOLY ART: Bizarre Magick From Naljorpa's Cave. NOW IN HARDCOVER! VIEW: <BR>www.lulu.com/content/1399405 ORDER: http://stores.lulu.com/naljorpa
<BR>A TASSEL ON THE LUNATIC FRINGE |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Quote:
On 2009-12-13 13:05, Bill Ligon wrote: By looking at Mahakala, you shouldn't... |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Shagai set, Mongolian grimoires, I-Ching coins ...
A lot of potential for bizarrists. |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Still monologuing...
A nice link about MO divination and Chöd. Mo can be done various ways, including dice, Mo cards or rosary. http://www.buddhachannel.tv/portail/spip.php?article3232 |
|||||||||
Minyak New user 6 Posts |
The Curator,
The set of Mongolian divination objects are really beautiful. Do you know the MO dice interpretation? Would you please be so kind as to post them. I know quite a few Tibetan interpretations but none with two dice. |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
I found several interpretations with one die thrown twice. I may suppose that both dice may be thrown together (one being considered as the firt one, the other as the second).
I found this interesting link http://freakyfortuneteller.com/fenn/?p=826 The dice may also simply be used for gambling. |
|||||||||
Minyak New user 6 Posts |
Thanks Curator,
The Manjushri divination, I am familiar with. There are however in Bhutan, divination(s) with two dice where odd numbers are good, even bad and the dice are thrown three times. Ascending patterns are considered good. Do you know anyone who is familiar with Bhutanese divination? BTW the Mahakala is 6 armed - being the standard protector of the Gelugpa school that prevailed in Mongolia. |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Thanks for the Mahakala notification, I missed two arms. The tsakli is very small.
I don't know about Bhutanese divination (except for the odd/even dice numbers), I'm more familiar with the poe's (half moon sticks) and the "chi chi" sticks (more chinese). |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Speaking about Mo Die oracle. I found this beauty.
http://www.vajragallery.com/ritual/r0015.html Not for sale anymore... |
|||||||||
Gede Nibo Inner circle 2447 Posts |
Quote:
On 2009-12-14 06:22, The Curator wrote: breathtaking! soul taking! yours good Master? |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Mine, young Padawan.
And a nice link about Mo Oracle http://www.tacomacc.edu/home/jkellerm/Et.......5Mo.htm :coffee: |
|||||||||
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Another Bone Casting Oracle, made from Cave Bear Bones.
The 4 bones are Thola, Cohado, Scitay, Imbay. The three other items are a piece of Madrake Root (vegetal), a Cave Bear Tooth (Animal), an antique Bear stone fetish (Mineral). The fourth element in the center of the zone, a primitive Spiral Shell coin, represents Time. |
|||||||||
Van Helmont Elite user 488 Posts |
Vintage Schelmans!
The Epiphany Before Christmas: this day (12/23/13) I leave the Café for good!
|
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The spooky, the mysterious...the bizarre! » » Casting the bones (11 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6 [Next] |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.07 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |