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Brane, I can hook you up with a good source for clip-on nose-bones.

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And don't worry about your gray hair. I'm not a spring chicken myself. Here's a pic of me entertaining at a recent gig:

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Brane, I'm not just oldish. I'm old, white haired, and rather "rounded" myself. My middle portion roughly approximates the configuration of a sphere.

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On 2009-11-10 02:45, The Curator wrote:
But you can interlace the Fable World and the so-called Real World. I've done that with many tales (Alice, Peter Pan, the Grimm tales, the 1001 Nights...) and I'm a big fan of that approach. In this case you should respect both the codes of original tales and the location/era of the real world, and create your own interpretation, your own variation.


I was thinking of relating the fable/mythic to the "reel" world rather than the real historic--a passing reference to "the burned village of Emyr", or a literary reference, "Lancre, in the Ramtops" , etc. Smile
I am a big fan of your Peter Pan transposition, look forward to seeing this performed one day-not likely soon, but one never knows.
Mythic creature bones, now--yes--a fun thought, hmmm..
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And a real looker y'are, Julieann!
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On 2009-11-11 23:56, julieannjohnson wrote:
Brane, I can hook you up with a good source for clip-on nose-bones.

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Thank you, that is just what I needed to help with a cultural piece I was working on.

BTW: Was that John Bannon in the photo?

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On 2009-11-12 00:05, Bill Ligon wrote:
And a real looker y'are, Julieann!

Related to Higley?
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I have hesitated posting in this topic. I probably should not....

For 40 years I was a magician. I was not as good as I thought I was, but a magician none the less.I became interested in "real magic" about 5 years ago. I am a beginner. Tony Iacoviello taught me a few things, as did Baba and others.
I developed a formula to help me to better understand people.
Once I did this, I started telling people what I had learned and they seemed to like it.

I put this all together and my wife and I showed it to Joe Stevens. Joe was very interested in marketing our package as "Parson's Bones Box."
It took some money and time to put these things together. But, I was going to go ahead and do it, when one day I realized that this was like selling pianos. I had said that anyone could do it. But this is not quite true. Anyone CAN play a piano. But to do it right, takes practice, concentration, talent and some things that I can't sell.
The divination methods that I now use are not tricks. What I am doing now is more like "bringing the magic out of people."
I do not use a traditional method of casting bones. I use a method that I developed. It is very simple. It does not use cold reading(but you could use it for cold reading.)
It all has more to do with "understanding" and touching people where they live.
I would not suggest any kind of "tricks" for people who want to do readings.
BUT, there are some great tricks that look like readings. Confusing these two seems to cause much argument and confusion in the magic community.
I began this ramble with "For 40 years I was a magician." I still am.
I also have learned a few things apart from traditional magic.
Peace,
Parson

BTW, if you would like to know more or if there is any way that I might be of help, please contact me.
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Parson, welcome to this discussion! I'm happy to see you here, and I found your post interesting.
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Parson, I am interested in all, every, any, and each form of divination, whether it is traditional to a specific culture or devised de novo.

I would love to pay for any written or physical material you might wish to market on the subject of casting bones.
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The following may interest you. Imagine 256 different patterns!!!

http://www.readersandrootworkers.org/ind......vination
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I will be doing a Dual Dice Divination tomorrow night on this radio program. These guys have a TV show called EXTREME PARANORMAL on A&E Smile
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I will also be using techniques acquired from The Zingara Fortune Teller.

Parson ... Thanks for joining in. Your input is Priceless Smile
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Andy, thanks for the link.

It's an interesting coincidence of mathematics that the Chinese I Ching, with its 64 hexagrams, also produces 256 possible "changing lines" -- the same number as the 256 predictive odu of African dillogun cowrie shell readings performed with 16 cowrie shells, as described on that web page.

Any system based on 256 memorized scripts would require a considerable amount of memory work, needless to say. I would love to see a comparison between the two, just for the sake of glimpsing how African diviners and Chinese diviners handle the concept of 256 "scripts" -- but diloggun is initiatic and heavily guarded from lay people, so it is not accessible for study in the same way that the I Ching is.
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Mmmm. My bad -- The I Ching has even MORE answers than those diloggun shells do -- 384 lines. I could not hope to memorize 384 scripts, much less 256. I'm sticking with the tarot. Smile
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The Christmas fair theme in Brussels this year is Mongolia.
Ok, it's Brussels, so there are only 6 miserable Mongolian yurts on place Sainte Catherine (one sells Glühwein, not really typical from Mongolia Smile ). But they also sell interesting little items like Shagai bones for oracle. For 5€ you receive 4 sheep ankle bones in a very nice pouch , and if you need a nicer leather pouch you can find that too.
So, if you're in Brussels...
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How many Mongolians do you have in Belgium? I wish I could be there as I am interested in Mongolian culture. I am presently taking an in-depth look at Mongolian shamanism.
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Only 6 "commercial" yurts for Christmas. Smile
But, they offer nice information about their culture. (They also sell crap magic tricks made in Mongolia ... and glühwein...). (We also have several magic forums full of mongolians, but that's another story)
You should have a look at some recent Mongolian movies and shouldn't miss the recent "Gengis Khan".
Here's my set of Shagais.

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What a beautiful pouch!
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"What a beautiful pouch!"
seconded, that set looks truly magical and amazing!
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Went back to the Mongolian exhibition and bought more sets of Shagais in larger and exquisite pouches.
The big sets have 5 or 6 bones, and one of the bones must be from a Tchernobyl Cthulhian sheep... or another mythical creature.
I still don't try the Glühwein.

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Last but not least
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shagai

Posted: Dec 8, 2009 12:48pm
Finally, the interpretation.
http://ipedia.net/what+is+shagai

So, if you need a bone divination, just find the bones, pouch, and follow the rules.
You may also adapt the divination to your purposes.
I could buy a nice set of 4 Shagai bones with a pouch for 8 or 10 euros.
Smaller for 5.
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