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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
Gentlemen: I would like to produce a small to medium size black Raven out of black gloves as my opener. The scene will be backlit with a strong blue and frontlit with low footlights.
How would you do it?
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
Look for ways that parrots are produced.
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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
I don't know too much about bird production and don't have the time at the moment to divulge in literature about the subject. Preferably I like to use a pocket but am not sure if the raven will hold still in it and can be pulled like a dove.
I just need a straight solution. Thanks.
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
I would not think that a raven would do well in a pocket like you suggest. However, I have never handled one and since they are illegal to keep as pets in most of North America, I likely never will, so I for one can't answer your question.
Here is a link to someone who seems to know something about the birds: http://www.restarea1mile.com/ravens.html |
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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
Thank you for the info. That helps in terms of how to keep and take care of the bird.
Perhaps I can dress a dove as a crow with a fake beak?...
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
I'd understand if you already have a raven available, but does it have to be a raven? A raven would be a rather large load to produce from gloves. A crow is smaller, and I'd hazard a guess that most people wouldn't know the difference; the ones I've seen are about the size of a large pigeon and, still, a bit large for a glove production. Of course, like RJE, I wouldn't know how either would behave. Although many birds can be trained, it seems you may not have time to do so.
I'll PM you an idea.
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Use a stuffed bird.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
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On 2009-11-06 17:45, Michael J. Douglas wrote: Thanks for the solution Michael. It definatively needs to be a crow...Ravens are way too big for a body load. I'll probably use an invisible harness inside the jacket and attach the gloves to a sleeve pull. See, I need to disappear the gloves the split second the Crow is visible as if they transformed to the bird. I would toss the gloves upward and there the transformed crow flies over the audience... Quote:
On 2009-11-06 22:46, Bob Sanders wrote: I don't do stuffed.
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
I actually have stuffed ravens!
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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haywire Special user Philadelphia 760 Posts |
You can color a dove black, much easier and in the audiences mind, that's a crow or a raven not a dove. To regular people, doves are white, black is a crow or a raven. May not be quite as big but easier to train, handle and deal with.
I had a black colored dove for awhile, but decided a black bird does not show very well on stage unless you have white backdrops. Steven |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2009-11-06 13:28, Silvio Solaris wrote: I suggest you forget about doing this. The crow would peck you to death, they are hard bill birds, Doves are soft bill birds, they do not hurt as much. If you do not have the time for research, training, learning. Bird magic is not a simple easy thing to do. Glove to dove can also be purchased as trick tray or table top. I suggest you use this method. Abbott's Magic sells a very good model for years. Simply throw a pair of gloves on the tray and it transforms into a bird. |
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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
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On 2009-11-07 23:54, haywire wrote: That's the route I will take. Thank you Steven. Yes, Crows are a pain in the ... to keep. Just the cage has to be humongeous... What do you use to color them? I am also thinking to stick a fake beak onto the small one. Have you done that? What glue do you suggest? Thank you all for your input Gents!
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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Alexo Regular user Long Island, NY 112 Posts |
The coloring can be done by mixing food dye with coconut based shampoo and water. Dave Scribner or Andy Amyx would be able to give you the proper doses.
As for the fake beak, I'd say don't do it. Don't risk anything that may permanently damage the bird's beak, and you don't want to get glue in the nostrils. Ask yourself, how are going to take it off without taking the real beak off? Create the atmosphere, and suspension of disbelief will take care of the tiny details. |
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
Silvio,
DON'T try to glue a fake beak onto the dove!! The beak would inhibit its ability to eat, drink, and breathe correctly, and the fumes of any glue would either harm or kill the bird. Bad, bad idea.... :eek:
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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haywire Special user Philadelphia 760 Posts |
Yes, I agree, don't risk harming a bird for a trick EVER. When I had a black dove, everyone just assumed it was a raven or a crow. You don't need a fake beak.
I've PMed Silvio info on coloring doves properly. Steven |
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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
Yes, thank you all... Of course I would never harm the animal...Only eat it after I am done...
I will go with Steven's suggestion of coloring the dove black with cake dye mixed with a bit of No Tear kid shampoo. I will practice the toss appearance with a sleeve load and topit the gloves. Michael suggested the Technical Tosses DVD by Dan Sperry. Thank you all for the valuable tips!!
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I suggest you get Shimada Dove DVD from Steven's Magic, he covers Dove from Gloves and Changing a silk to dove, as he uses in his act. If you wear tails, you can perform the silk to dove with gloves.
It is available here: http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?ma......gd5o98i0 |
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
I tried producing a Mynah using an oversized dove harness but the problem was it could not perch well on my fingertips. It kept on hopping from hand to hand.
Magic, Illusions, Juggling, Puppet & Parrot Show ^0^
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Gordon Special user Chicago 692 Posts |
I think Ravens are far too smart, and too aggressive, to be used in a magic act. I'm not a big fan of coloring doves, but that does seem like a better approach. Maybe you could slip in a recorded crow sound to reinforce the idea that it's a raven.
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts |
A raven is a tough bird to use in a show, not to mention the various state-to-state Wildlife permit considerations. Glad you are considering the dove, [even though a black dove will be very tough to see in a dark showroom.] I brainstormed my own raven production idea with Curtis Kam years ago. we had a good laugh, with ideas varying from coloring a dove and using a black Bic Pen cap for a beak! Of course, we were being really outlandish [and totally facetious] with our ideas.
Just a thought: Please leave your bird's beak natural and don't consider painting it black. Painting her beak will cause a bacterial infection and the paint could even have a toxic effect on your bird. Good Luck! Autumn
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
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