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The Great Smartini Inner circle 2280 Posts 
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Can anyone comment on the appropriate body technique/technique for these?
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1630 Posts
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Conventional theory is that with the body turned slightly, the downstage hand is distracting/occupying the audience's attention with some action (such as a production of some item), while the upstage hand makes it's steal. But that is the most simplistic breakdown.
Tenkai (as quoted in "The Thoughts of Tenkai" regarded this as a rather primitive application. Further subtleties can be found in the performances of the masters (such as Cardini) where the downstage hand is actively involved and steals are done with that hand. Also, the notion of multiple simultaneous steals and 'holding out" the production make for more effective magic. (Note Lance's steal of three candles simultaneously in his manipulation act). There are so many nuances and details that describing them in this way really may not be of value to you..so my apologies. Specifically, you may want to look to Patrick Page's works for a very effective handling of feather flowers and sleeve bouquets. Regards- JNeal
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Levent Special user USA 801 Posts
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JNeal's tip about Patrick Page is correct. Pat does the best work, I've seen with a feather bouquet stolen from the sleeve.
Pat is a living treasure. He's done a lot, seen a lot and remembers a lot. In a weird way, I think of him as a Jay Marshall of the British Isles. Pat's feather flower opener is written up in about two or three of his lecture notes, but the notes that I have don't really explain his technical handling of the effect, just the presentation. To really appreciate Pat, you have to see him do the trick. He does it on the L&L published video "Secret Seminars of Magic with Pat Page - London Stage Lecture". I don't know if it is on DVD, but I bought it a long time ago as a VHS tape and it was worth every penny I paid for it. Pat is awesome!!! Best regards, Levent http://www.LeventMagic.com
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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I have never read of a production of bouquet from the rear of the body. It may be possible with an added sleeve over the bouquet. Generally, it is from the sleeve, vest area, or in the apparatus itself.
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Anatole Inner circle 1915 Posts
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One of the best reference books on magic--for beginners and experienced magicians alike--is Pat Page's "Big Book of Magic." I'm away from home and don't have it handy, and I can't recall specifically whether it includes anything on producing sleeve bouquets, but it's worth a search of eBay or Amazon in any case.
----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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silking Loyal user 213 Posts
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Production from the sleeve is coved in the Pat Page book.
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hugmagic Inner circle 7695 Posts
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I have a whole dvd lecture on producing Sleeve bouquets that was filmed at the Maic Castle.
Pat's advice is good but look at my Hoopla routine for a more up to date idea. You can see a demo of it and many other sleeve/body productions on the website demo video. I have used a back of the back production for years. It was also done by the Blackstones and many others. It also could be done off the back of the leg. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Darkwing Inner circle Nashville Tn 1850 Posts
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I've got Richard's DVD and can highly recommend it. He covers all the ends and outs along with some great routines. It is also very reasonable. If you are interested in sleeve bouquet productions, this is the DVD for you.
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bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts
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Keiko Muto has 2 DVDs as well and they are very good.
https://feather-flower.com/index.php?mai......guage=en You can check her basic routine on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkTWDG_wXso |
David Todd Inner circle 2489 Posts
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On Nov 7, 2009, Levent wrote: Patrick Page - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg_qqWQa9A0 |
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David Todd Inner circle 2489 Posts
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On Jun 19, 2024, David Todd wrote: By the way,Patrick Page's handling for the flower production is covered in his "Big Book of Magic" , pages 177 - 180 (and in surprisingly much less detail it is also in his magnum opus "Magic - Page by Page" on page 156 ; in fact in the latter book, there is no handling described for the production of the bouquet(s) , it is simply a description of the presentation and his suggested patter.) Or, as Levent suggests, try to find the L&L DVD "Secret Seminars of Magic with Pat Page - London Stage Lecture". Patrick Page's daughter also sells a DVD of this lecture (filmed at Theatre Royal, Stratford, London in 1981) under a different title - "Patrick Page Lecture: Misdirection". https://patrickpagemagic.co.uk/product/p......ion-dvd/ Here's another blurry old video showing Pat's presentation of this production at the 1:53 mark in the video - https://youtu.be/8TgtOw-URK4?t=113 . |
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Jean André New user Metz 72 Posts
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Reading this topic I am reminded that I have the lecture of stage magic of Mr. Patrick Page, regrettably it is on PAL video tape cassette , which I can no longer view, so I am glad to know that Mr. Page's daughter sells it on DVD. I think his presentation of the bouquet production is effective.
I have a question related to the bouquet production: does anyone have experience with using the bouquets made by DiFatta Magic of Italy, this style of carnation blooms ? https://youtu.be/GNeSHgHOLHs Please understand me, I am well aware that the very high quality bouquets may be obtained from Mr. Richard Hughes , so please to not remind me of it now because I can not afford to purchase those beautiful items at this time, but I am wondering if anyone can assist me with a practical review regarding the DiFatta bouquets ? These are not as garish and ugly looking as many of the cheap bouquets , they appear actually to be carnation blossoms. (they are made from the fabric, not feathers) I have a few other items by DiFatta and the quality is acceptable. I know of one magic shop in the U.K. who stocks these, so I suppose I may simply take a chance to purchase it to examine for myself the quality of it, but I am thankful for the feedback from anyone who has used the DiFatta bouquets. Click here to view attached image. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2489 Posts
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The bouquet shown in the photo is actually not bad, not as fake looking as most of the cheap "feather duster" bouquets.
But the problem with synthetic fabric flowers is that they do not compress as well as feather flowers and there is more drag (resistance) as the bouquet is being produced , so the kind of flash barehanded production (a la Pat Page and others) doesn't work as well, because of that extra drag. The speed of production matters. Making the production of a cloth bouquet from under a scarf works ok because it does not depend so much on speed. I think the best you can do with a cloth bouquet is the way it is shown in the video posted above , where the performer makes the production from a scarf, because the movement of the scarf provides the necessary misdirection. There are in fact some great looking faux flowers (much nicer looking than the DiFatta bouquets) made from silk or synthetic fabric available at stores like JoAnn Fabrics and Hobby Lobby, but again the issue is that they don't compress enough. They can compress somewhat,so there are possibilities for magically producing such bouquets, but probably not as body loads. https://www.joann.com/floral/floral-stems-bushes-picks/ |
Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 827 Posts
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I would also suggest you give Mingus Magic Shop in Reading PA a look for feather flowers. They make good quality ones.
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David Todd Inner circle 2489 Posts
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I posted an album of flower reference photos -
http://tiny.cc/NoFeatherDusters ----- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fcR9UWeK8 |
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David Todd Inner circle 2489 Posts
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On Jul 19, 2024, David Todd wrote: Your post about the DiFatta bouquet made me curious , so when I saw someone selling it for 60% off the list price , I decided to take a chance. It arrived this morning and I played around with it a bit. My initial concern (based on having handled other synthetic fabric bouquets in the past) is confirmed: it compresses just barely enough to fit where it needs to go for the classic production, but it is bulky compared to the traditional type of bouquet made by Abbott, Marshall, Hughes, etc. However it does work. Because of the drag on it when producing it I would have concerns about how long it will stay in good shape(?) before some of the green foliage or the blooms become loose. Speaking of shape, mine came in a narrow box and the blooms were rather squashed, but the heat lamp trick that works for reforming the traditional style bouquets worked with this. NOTE: be very careful using a heat lamp, you just want to fluff up the blossoms a bit , be careful you don't singe them). It's not bad overall, although I would have preferred that the blooms were all one color instead of multicolored , but maybe that's just me. (if you've ever seen the wonderful Abbott "Fresh Carnation" bouquets of old -- red or white -- those are what I consider the best looking carnation bouquets.) This DiFatta bouquet is not as flexible or fast as a traditional type of production bouquet, so the flash barehanded production a la Patrick Page is a bit "iffy" with this. The way the guy does it in the YouTube video https://youtu.be/GNeSHgHOLHs (pulling the empty scarf between his hands and then producing the bouquet from the scarf) is probably the best way to use this DiFatta bouquet. Again, no way of knowing how well this would hold up to repeated usage. (My guess is not very well ?) If I were going to use this, I would produce it , then place it in a tall vase (like the one pictured below) and leave it displayed on my table or a side table, because the overall impression left with the audience will be that the bouquet of flowers is larger (by placing it in a tall vase.) It's not in the same league as a classic production bouquet by Hughes, Marshall, or Abbott, but at least it has some semblance to real flowers (from a reasonable distance). https://difattamagic.com/fiori-dal-nulla......nde.html   |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7695 Posts
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The biggest problem with non feather bouquet is they do compress as much as a feather does. I have tried for years to come up with a suitable substitute. But thus far nothing is close.
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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