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othelo68 Regular user North dakota 174 Posts |
Musicians have scales
card workers have the Ambitious card coin workers love coins across What do you consider to be the inter-discipline fundamentals of magic that all aspiring magicians should learn? |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Principles and Theories of Magic as a performing and entertainment art.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Some say Cups and Balls, which uses a lot of principles used in magic.
The types of magic such as vanish, levitation, appearance...(someone please fill in the rest) Harris "memory challenged" deutsch
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
... transformation, restoration, penetration, transposition ...
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Rope effects will get the audience involved,
then throw on a ring
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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MMark New user Edmonton, AB, Canada 39 Posts |
I would have to agree with Cups & Balls. As I'm discovering, it takes a great deal of practice to do it well. Despite being an ancient trick, it still floors audiences.
Mark |
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ico Regular user Australia 109 Posts |
But is cups and balls "interdiscipline"? I think the OP is after something more generic - I would be interested to know that too.
Maybe, the art of performance? |
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jake.o Regular user 111 Posts |
The cups and balls is a must learn because if you your learning so much more than the trick. you learn to practice, to routine, misdirection, audience magagement, how to perform and add patter to the effect and a but of pocket management. its a must learn because most of the things that you consiosly or unconsiosly learn can be used in most effect that you perform. its also a great trick as when the audience is with you it can't be beaten.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
If you want to use the cups and balls as the learning curve - start off with a one cup routine. If you can entertain, mystify and freak out the audience with just ONE cup then you know you are progressing well.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Personally, I think rope magic is one that teaches the fundamentals of being an entertaining magician. You will likely use it the rest of your magical life.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Acting and Performance Arts... Stagecraft... personal charisma development...
given those traits, even a fumbling, all thumbs, no skill magician can make a name for himself. Case in point - Criss Angel >:)
Mark Reed
Wedding and Event Entertainment |
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coolini Regular user australia 176 Posts |
The answer is that the purpose of magic is to entertain...
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
This is an incredibly important and fundamental question. You could state it like this: If I wanted to learn magic in the most advantageous manner possible what would you suggest that I do?
At least that's how I read the original above. Here is what I would suggest based upon 20 years of designing magic courses and then teaching them to thousands of students: Get your basics of sleight-of-hand down with Cards, Coins, Billiard Balls, Cups and Balls and Sponge Balls. Those who have bought my videos will notice that they match my suggestion above. That's because in the various courses I taught the material on my DVD's formed the core of what was taught. From that core of knowledge you can then add knowledge of the theoretical, but do it in a way that will allow you to understand AS you do. Learning basic technique is the manner in which almost every great skill is acquired. Consider how difficult it would be to learn songs on a guitar if you did not already have a working knowledge of basic chords and strum patterns? Very few if any folks learn the guitar by tackling something like Classical Gas as the first thing they learn. It's done, but not often. A knowledge of sleights in the most popular forms, cards, coins, sponge, etc. begins the process of putting the student into the "magic state of mind" and allows the student to see the craft from both that of the spectator and the performer. Best,
Brad Burt
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GameMaker New user Bay Area, CA 1 Post |
If you'll entertain a newbie's opinion:
My answer to the OP's question is "misdirection". The effect should feel invisible. You never think to look there. Whether it's cards, coins, cups, or iPhones, the audience needs to think about everything EXCEPT where the method takes place. Therefore, the most important cross-disciplinary skill is the ability to weave a story in the user's mind that centers around anything EXCEPT where the slight/change/restoration/ditch/etc happens. That can be through charming banter, through a complicated story (patter), or through no words at all! (a locked gaze that keeps the audience looking at your eyes, or your hands (if that's where you're looking) while your accomplice performs the switch, etc.) No matter what effect you're doing, magic happens when you create in the audience's head an explanation that is other than what really happens. |
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DN777 Veteran user 360 Posts |
The fundamental principle of magic is the ability to tell a bold faced lie. A good magician is a good liar. In order to be truly convincing, one must overcome the pseudo-ethical internal debate about lying to the audience. If our internal dialogue feels like we're cheating / lying, it will come off and they will pick up on it.
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
I was very lucky to be trained one-on-one, where the first routine was the Cups and Balls. Through that one routine, I was able to learn...
Sleight of hand Working one-ahead Misdirection Cover Motivated action Cancelling methods Multiple phase structuring Progression Feints Pocket management Conditioning Tension and Relaxation Punctuation Understanding and manipulating audience's suspicions Working Impromptu, and preparing for the obstacles of working impromptu Understanding the role of the climax I've taught a few magic lessons for people who wanted to learn a couple of tricks. If I ever find somebody who's interested in making magic a part of their life, though, they'll be getting this routine first. The things you can take away from it can apply to everything from card magic to mentalism.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Bean Regular user 119 Posts |
For me it's been trying to remove tells from my routines. I guess that would actually be a combination of Gamemaker's and Daniel's posts.
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rickyhmltn New user USA 66 Posts |
To be a bit generic but fundamental:
Audience Control Pacing Acting Vanishes and small manipulations Palming Angle control I think these are the basic building blocks. |
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ExternalReality New user 3 Posts |
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On 2009-11-11 12:26, othelo68 wrote: Personal Development-- there are way too many guys out there who think they can perform just because they can do the moves. Performing isn't just about moves and "theory". TS |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2009-12-01 00:12, Andrew Musgrave wrote: Very succinctly put. IMHO, your best Café post...ever.
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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