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magus-inc
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Lou and Jim, I was given them as a gift, they were bought legitimately ss far as I know. Have you never given anyone a DVD to watch or a book to read or passed a newspaper to someone when you are finished with it. If you answer no to that then excuse me but you are not telling the truth. It makes no difference that the value is $1 or $500. The principal is the same. Perhaps you should both forward me $10 for wasting my time. You are obviously going to tell me that your course is amazing and fantastic and can be used the world over.At least you managed to plug your email address using my post ....yawn.
.....follow your bliss and the universe will open doors for you........
Donald Dunphy
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Once, someone tried to give me a gift of Jim's course.

The performer bought a package that had included both the print and ebook version, and thought that it was fine to pass along the ebook version, because he felt he had "two copies" (a spare).

I felt wrong about it, and talked with Jim. Jim verified my thoughts. I immediately removed the file.

An electronic version of a course, and most ebooks, are non-transferable, because you can't tell if someone really erased the original version. You've simply made a copy, which violates a copyright. So, file sharing is wrong, and hurts authors.

I hope that the products that were passed along to you weren't electronic versions.

And if print copies were passed along, I hope that no copies were made by the original owner.

- Donald

P.S. I don't know this for sure about Jim's course, but I do know that some products and courses are non-transferable, and say so as a part of their license agreement that the purchaser agrees to.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Donald,
You bring up a good point..

I have been on the end of having my content copied before..
A member of my membership site made recordings of live lectures and then gave them to a friend..
That friend then made copies and started to sell them on EBay at $120 each,

It was a total pain to get ebay to pull the content because I had to prove it was ME on the video's and that they where part of a members only section

Because of this issue I now have a NON Transferable clause and a Non Disclosure as part of my course.
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Dear Magus,

Please contact me via email or telephone, both of which are easily obtainable by looking at my course materials or send me a private message via this forum. I can easily very whether or not you have an authorized or unauthorized copy of my course. If you'd prefer to PM me, please feel free. If you do indeed have an authorized copy of my course, I will publicly apologize to you via this thread. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Lou Serrano
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On 2010-06-26 14:18, magus-inc wrote:
Lou and Jim, I was given them as a gift, they were bought legitimately ss far as I know. Have you never given anyone a DVD to watch or a book to read or passed a newspaper to someone when you are finished with it. If you answer no to that then excuse me but you are not telling the truth. It makes no difference that the value is $1 or $500. The principal is the same. Perhaps you should both forward me $10 for wasting my time. You are obviously going to tell me that your course is amazing and fantastic and can be used the world over.At least you managed to plug your email address using my post ....yawn.


While I do not own either course. I can attest to the professionalism of both gents and as far as getting a mention USING you to do so... the entire Café is all about give and take. We try to be courteous here. The assumption that people are using a nameless, faceless poster as a springboard does not outweigh the ideocentric philosophy he or she imposes.

As far as passing along news articles, as opposed to coptwritten information, the premise of socialism is not logical. If someone who attended a college class gave me all their notes, should I qualify for a degree? If I bought a ticket for a movie should my friend use the other half of the stub to see it for free? There is a difference between information that's published for the masses and intellectual property that's restricted to the person who purchased it otherwise we would all have security clearances with whatever agency we liked.

In any event, seeing that you only have a handful of posts, we want to welcome you with warmest regards.
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I apologise if my remarks are upsetting people. I agree that there are certain elements that may be applicable to the uk but the value of the course is fully applicable for the market in the States. Things operate differently here, no matter what you think.
I have no doubt whatsoever concerning the professionalism of the persons mentioned and did not mean to imply that they are unprofessional, I was merely stating that their course's full value is not achieved in the UK.
I don't know if the courses that I had were authorised or if they were copies and although I agree that it is important, would you turn round to a friend and refuse a gift stating, that ...'I cannot accept unless you can prove that you bought this course legitimately, I am terribly sorry........' Life doesn't work like that I'm afraid, social skills allow us to take the gift with grace.
For your information, both courses have now been passed on by me to another individual who equally didn't ask if they were legitimate or not.
It wasn't a blatant photocopy so I have no means of saying wether they were legitimate or not as I have never bought either course first hand, how can I possibly compare.
Perhaps the next time I recieve a book or a CD , I should ask for proof of purchase with a letter from them stating that they have not read or listened to it.....signed by a lawyer and countersigned by a judge...
In reply to Jay, firstly may I thank him for his warmest regards, with ref. to passing notes from one individual to another, of course that doesn't warrant you to earning your degree. While at university we used copyright information everyday for reference purposes, we quoted from information obtained in many sources and I obtained my degree in a 'legitimate' fashion using my intelligence to utilise the information within our vast internet and to come up with my own conclusions which were brought about through analytical study.
My whole point in this post was to ask if there was anyone out there that could recommend a course that was 'suitable for the UK market' . In that, I did not mean a course that you could take certain chunks out and squeeze and mold them to fit a market that is so fundamentally different.
I am happy to pay for a course that I can utilise to it's fullest extent.
.....follow your bliss and the universe will open doors for you........
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I am now curious

How does the European market or UK differ? We call, send info, entice people to look at out web-sites, make use of prior contacts and find ways to infiltrate certain industries and/or venues, then farm contacts. Follow-ups, more follow-ups or cornering the buyer at another event are also common practice.

Aside for the seven ways to sell Ask, Assume, Incentives, Testimonials, Inverse, Negative, Penalty - and the accompanying two elements of Features vs. Benefits.... all tied together with the three reasons people buy YOUR product, Price, Service or Uniqueness. How much different can any sale be?

Is there something we are doing in the US that people in the UK do better?
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Jay - that was an entire marketing course in one short post!!

Ed
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Is there a marketing course for psychics?

Regards,
Mike
Scott Burton
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On 2010-07-12 14:03, insight wrote:
Is there a marketing course for psychics?

Regards,
Mike


Marketing is marketing is marketing. Any good book or program will present solid strategies that will apply to anything you want to sell. Magician, psychic, real estate agent, speaker, used car dealer, window cleaner, etc, etc, etc. Solid strategies will work for whatever you present.

Whatever you choose (even those magicians who buy "for magician's courses), you will want to adopt your own unique positioning approach. To me, a book written for a different industry in no way means that it won't be valuable to my business. In fact, some of the best information I've found has come from materials written for another category of service provider.

What type of work are you looking to get into? What type of target market? What type of services? What do you do now and what goals do you have?
magus-inc
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I would like to apologise via the Café to both Mr Snack and Mr Serrano for my comments on their course being worth $10
I have to admit that I gave neither course much of my time before passing them on and had perhaps pre judged them deciding that their worth for the UK market was minimal. Perhaps if I had taken the time, I would not have dismissed them.
I believe that if I had utilised even a fraction of the information in either course before simply dismissing them as only applicable for the US market, they would be worth more than double their original purchase price.

On reflection, I apologise publically for the negative remarks.
.....follow your bliss and the universe will open doors for you........
Jim Snack
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Magus-inc,

Apology accepted. I'm pleased that you took a second look and found value in my course. While the specific markets for magic and their needs will vary geographically, the overall strategies for building a magic business apply just about anywhere. That's where my work is strongest for magicians outside the United States. The specific examples of how I built my business are of most value to magicians working those markets in the United States.

Jim
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www.success-in-magic.com
lou serrano
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Hi Magus,

Thank you for your post. Apology accepted.

Wishing you much success!

Lou
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I've purchased Jack Turks course and find it very valuable. It takes some discipline to implement all of the wisdom shared here and in his course. I've a suspician that this is the case with all Marketing Courses.

One surprising thing to me has been that it is far better to be an average magician and an excellent marketer, than the other way around. Of course we want be excellent at both. But, to be an excellent magician and poor at marketing will leave one short on cash and long on talent.
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Check out the work David Breth is doing

http://www.davidbreth.com/businessmarketingmatters

http://www.examiner.com/marketing-in-baltimore/david-breth
(material he puts out for a local paper and their website, at no cost)


I don't know about many marketing courses (for magic, I was a marketing director in my previous life for some well known companies) but what I know about David is .....

......He is one of if not the busiest working magician in Maryland


I don't know about other marketing courses but you can actually speak to David with questions and for advice.

David's prices seem reasonable compared to other courses I've seen.


Bottom line, this is advice from some one who is day in and day out marketing successfully in the area you want to be in
http://www.davidbreth.com/Step-By-Step-Press-Release-Profits


I do think David is a little crazy, he put up a help page where you can ask him a question ......

........ and get a real response
http://www.davidbreth.com/Help.html


I've never seen anyone else doing these type courses offer that
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Web page is down
When you try to sign up it shows page not available?


Don
http://www.davidbreth.com/businessmarketingmatters
Bill Hegbli
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No one has mentioned an excellent source from Stan Kramien, this stuff is the real deal. No hype all hard work.

Show Me The Money: http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?ma......_id=3931

Professional Secrets of Stan Kramien: http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?ma......_id=3929
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On 2010-09-07 00:05, MichaelDouglas wrote:
One surprising thing to me has been that it is far better to be an average magician and an excellent marketer, than the other way around. Of course we want be excellent at both. But, to be an excellent magician and poor at marketing will leave one short on cash and long on talent.


BINGO! Being an excellent magician is actually only a small factor in being successful in this business. I've seen (and heard of) so many very not-so-good magicians have great careers and are very happy. I've also seen (and heard of) so many exceptional magicians who struggle to get by financially or are unable to get out of the daily grind of a job they hate.

Is it fair? Perhaps not. Learn how to generate income with your great (or not-so-great) magic and you've got it made!
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**Don,What browser are you using to sign-in?

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**JIM SNACK & JACK TURK: In regard to Jim Snack and Jack Turks information I know both of their ethics and ANYTHING and I mean anything they offer are ONLY based on what they actually know (unlike many out there "teaching" things they have never done themselves and because of this are not qualified to teach others how to market). Both men run their business with ethics.

Bottom Line: Jack Turk and Jim Snack ARE the real deal!!!
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**insight: You can take the marketing Jim or Jack share and implement the principles in your "psychic" business... when you see: "Book More Shows As A Magician" ... replace the word magician with psychic and you will find the marketing principles are the same.

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**Vick: WOW!!! THANK YOU. I am much humbled.
David Breth
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David is the man!! Has helped me out tremendously
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