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tomdom
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Hi Guys,

After a lecture from Steve Beam not so long ago, I have decided (after much deliberation) to go down the road of memorised deck work.
The stack I have decided upon is the Aronson stack I have seen mentioned on this and other forums. I have settled on this over the Tamariz ‘mnemonica’, Si Stebbins and other stacks I have read about as it seems the one that most appeals to my personality and way of working.
I would be grateful if you could point me in the direction of any material that teaches how to set up and memorise this stack. I am also looking for material on its applications like, prediction, revelations, ACAAN, etc.
Your help would be greatly appreciated…as always!

Looking forward to Hearing from You All,

Tomdom
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You're looking for Aronson's book, Bound To Please.
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Hi Tomdom,

I have an e-book on the Aronson stack you may be interested in. It is available at http://www.vanishingincmagic.com

It won't teach you how to memorize the stack but it has about 20 routines that are dependent on the Aronson stack order.

Good luck on memorizing the stack. You won't regret your hard work.

As mentioned above, the stack quizzer on Simon's site is excellent. While your there download his free notes on the memorized deck.

All of Simon's material on the memorized deck is worth you careful study!

All the best,
Eric
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Good move. You won't regret learning it. I wish I would've done it years ago!

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A Stack to Remember by Simon Aronson has a mnemonic system to help memorize the stack.

Simon doesn't claim the system is original but it is there and it should help.

-Mary Mowder
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Another approach that I have used successfully is an ancient Greek method used by Aristotle (in fact, it may predate Aristotle). It is called The Journey. Essentially you create a story that you internalise. Each and every card represents an element of the story such as character, events, etc.

You don't have to be a great writer, or even a writer at all. It can be total nonsense but the point is that it is yours, and as you are assigning characters, events or whatever building block in your story, the cards become that.

I was able to "get" the Aronson stack in a week doing this - get it down COLD. It worked for me, but, it may not work for you. The mnenomic system system has proven largely ineffectual for me but works wonders for others.

Just a thought.

Ahimsa,
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Hi, Tomdom.

First off, welcome to the Café. I hope that you find the threads interesting and useful and the members helpful. In this regard, as an aid in your search for memorized deck materials, I'd respectfully point you to the "Search' function in the upper right corner. If you enter the phrase "memorized deck" to the search line, you'll get lots and lots of threads to go to and explore.
To get you started, here is one such thread for your perusal: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=5937961

The foregoing was found by typing "memorized deck" into the search line. (Note that this link may "expire" after a few days, etc and that you may have to actually type the search parameter information into the search engine line.)

Hope this helps.

Again, welcome to the Café.

Mike

P.S. Here is another link where I and a number of other members point you to some mem deck primary sources: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=205
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If you are serious about your mem-deck work you will eventually want, at a minimum, all 4 of Simon Aronson's Hard Bound Books and also Mnemonica. I know you are not going to use the Mnemonica stack, but there is so much good material in Mnemonica that can be done with the Aronson stack that it's worth the investment. As pointed out earlier, you want to start with Bound to Please. The system to learn it is based on classic mnemonics, as the the "Journey" method described earlier in this thread. (For the Journey to work, you will need to have each card represented by a mental picture of something memorable. mnemonics provides the tools to do this.) You can also learn the Aronson Stack by just brute force memory, and many of the learning techniques that Juan Tamariz teaches in Mnemonica can be applied to learning the Aronson stack.

Good luck. I agree that you will not regret the time you spend learning a mem-deck stack.

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Thanks Guys,

'Bound to Please' arrived yesterday!

Had a quick glance through it and looks like I have my work cut out for me here! Looking forward to the challenge though!

Couldn't help noticing no specific mention of aa ACAAN routine...unless I've missed something and this needs deeper reading! Also, I read somewhere (can't remember where cos I read a lot!) that there is an Invisible Deck routine you can do with the Aronson Stack that's pretty impressive. No mention of it in this book on first glance. If anyone can PM me how to go about the Invisible Deck routine or an ACAAN using this stack I would be grateful.

Must say, love some of the ideas in 'The Card Ideas of Simon Aronson' section of the book. The man strikes me as someone bordering on genius!

Looking forward to Your Help,

Tomdom
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Simon's Invisible Card effect is in Try the Impossible and also on his L & L DVD set.

I agree that Simon borders on genius. His work with cards covers a lot more than just mem-deck magic, although he is one of the masters of that.

Simon has a couple of methods for ACAAN in his book Aronson Approach.

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Hi Dennis,

Looks like my next pay cheque is going to take a hammering as I'll be giving 'Try the Impossible' and the 'Aronson Approach' some serious consideration!
As you say in your earlier post, the mnemonics detailed in the 'Stack to Remember' are not originals, but well established classics which have also been detailed elsewhere. If you or any other forum members are into this sort of thing, you could do a lot worse than some of the books written by Tony Buzan or eight times World Memory Champion Dominic O'Brian. I have found some of their works particularly helpful when needing to memorize long lists etc. Tony Buzan also suggests using such classic mnemonic systems like the aforementioned 'Journey' or 'Loci' method with mind maps...both very powerful tools.

Must say I'm looking forward to being competent with this particular stack, as I've just watched a DVD ('Close Up, Up Close - Vol 2')where Joshua Jay has done some fairly impressive routines using the Aronson stack. They're just the sort of thing I'm after for my table-hopping work!

Anyway, back to the reading!

Thanks for All Your Support,

Regards,

Tomdom
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I am...in my humble opinion, Aronson's biggest fan and do or have done all of his effects at one time or another. He is a genius in my opinion and has other stuff than just cards. His routines include a rock, paper, scissors set, rubber bands and even has a very neat coin effect!

One of the best things I ever learned during my years of doing card magic is the Aronson Stack. I still, 12 years after lerning it have a deck that I quiz myself with regularly to keep me faster and more rapid-fire when a number or card is called out!

One piece of advice I can give is DO NOT over look any of his MD routines! All of his books have some killer, killer stuff in there that plays so much better than it reads.

I have corresponded with Aronson many times over the years with different ideas and he is the most inviting and personable megicians out there.

PM me if you would like some direction, tips or pointers...or better yet the routines you DO NOT want to skip over. Some of his routines are as close to mind reading as you can get!

Randy Shirley

P.S. If you are going to start using a MD, try your best to not mention it to any other fellow cardicians.
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Oh and since you now have Bound to Please, don't overlook Shuffle-Bored in the final third of the book. Not a memdeck routine, but probably one of the greatest "hands off" card routines ever!
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Randy, it's good to have you here! I'm sure that all of us would like to hear more from the voice of experience.

You are right that reading the words in the books does not always sound like very impressive stuff. In some ways, it seems like an endless stream of spelling and counting "puzzles". I'd like to hear more about the real miracles in the stack.

Unlike some of the 10-minute geniuses out there, I've been practicing several hours a day for 24 days to get the stack at a level I feel comfortable to perform.
This is something that will be a part of me during the time I have left on this planet. Smile

Feel free to start a new thread on your tips and advice. I'm all ears.....
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Absolutely Randy, I would appreciate your views on what not to read over. Yes reading some of these do seem like the same old spelling trick. So any insight as to what NOT to skip over would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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If you have an iPhone there's a $5 application that lets you practice stack memorization any time. It's a great application, and it doesn't require that you enter the Aronson or Tamariz stacks (it knows these two). IMHO worth the $5.

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One thing I had to learn the hard way (and I think it is mentioned on Dennis Loomis's site) is that you need to learn the stack in multiple ways.

Number->Card
Card->Number
Card->Next Card
Card->Previous Card

Once you've done that you just know that the KS comes after the 9H instead of having to do 9H->42 43->KS.
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Guys, let's face it: what you basically learn is a new secret identity for each card. That's it. I learned the Aronson Stack almost 20 years ago using his method. It took me about 4 weeks an hour the day. Since then I use it constantly, I know the stack absolutely cold. Number - card and card - number is of course sufficient when you know the secret identity of each card. E. g. 9H is 42 and 42 is 9H. This is memorized and takes you just a fraction of a second, you think faster than you can speak. You have NOT to practice what is the next or previous card unless you don't know what is next to 42... Smile It is important that you learn the stack with that in your conscious mind. Jan
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I play a game of Solitaire using Aronson Stack.

When you put the Aces up top you can build off either side of the Ace.

In fact, since the idea is to become more proficient with Aronson, you could build both sides of the lower stacks as well. Just decide what your rules are and stick to 'em. If you win your deck is stacked. Because you are using a different part of your brain to play the game you are training at a whole new level.

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