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In a thread about the electric touch mmreed came up with the following concept
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Perfect kids show effect:

Fill a fish bowl with those mini neon fish...

touch the water and whisper DEATH

watch the kids cringe. hahahahah
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It was a joke when he said it, but now I have to ask; are there any tricks available where you actually kill an animal or a bug? I would love to be able to point at a fly and just make it fall down dead. Or pick up a spider and just make it die with a wave of my hand. It would really freak people out, and with the right presentation it could actually make people believe that you where able to kill anything just like that. Maybe a bit over the limit, but that's not what I want this discussion to be about.

So. The already existing effects where you kill a living being, and ideas for new effects and concepts. That's what I'm after!

Avada kedavra

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Um...
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Good start there rockthemike; continue...

Seriously. I would really like to have some ideas on this.
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You can do the killing curse with a fly and then make it come back to life. "Musca Domestica" in The Wizards' Journal #1 points the way. By resurrecting it, you have a happy ending.
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On 2009-11-21 17:25, rockthemike wrote:
Um...


Um indeed!

...and taking particular care to mind the "is/ought gap", I wonder about that distant country known as "the past". In less animal-welfare-conscious times, there surely must have been shamans, priests, charlatans, magi, prophets and such who demonstrated their terrible power by apparently making some hapless beastie drop dead on the spot. A historical study of trickery might yield some effects of this type.
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My thought was that I could avoid that by asking here where there might be somehone who allready has studied trickery.

Would it be possible to attach an IT to a fly, and then use the electric touch to send a shock through the thread and kill it? then you might allso be able to controll it's movement before the execution.

Copyright me. In case it actually works.
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Depends, among other things, on the electrical conductivity of IT. I don't know much about that, but I can't imagine that IT is a very good conductor.
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Can't imagine that very much is needed to kill a fly. And it's allways possible to make a special IT for this trick. I think the hardest part would be catching a fly and sticking IT to it.. but it would be a great effect.

Other ideas of killer effects (litteraly)
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Um...

In the spirit of inquiry, once more, I offer up my disclaimer: http://personal.bellevuecollege.edu/wpay......hume.htm

The "mysterious power over life and death" is quintessentially "magic" in the same way as "appearing/disappearing things" or "levitation" and we should not skirt round the issue.

The IT could be wet or greased in some way, I guess. One could also gaff an item by, in some invisible way, hooking it up to the mains, and then offer the fly some sweet and sticky, or maybe even pheromonal, incentive to land on that item.

Offing a larger creature? A remote control implant of some sort? This is quite a popular motif in sci-fi movies, it would surprise me if people hadn't actually worked on something IRL.

Maybe the contemporary extreme-bizarrist would use a little stun-gun on a holdout, if he was feeling relatively generous and would just settle for knocking the creature out, rather than killing it.
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Hmm... wouldn't the ET work as a stungun on a small enough creature? I've really got to buy myself one. That fly effect would be a good signature trick.

Drugs would probably work too, and you could probably come up with a way to release the drugs into the system at a precise time, or just measure the time it takes from the injection too the effect. A needle for the injection would probably be more than easy to hide. (if you don't tell anyone about the method you could probably even put a "borrowed dog" to sleep)

But if someone sold a magic dvd with this trick it would probably not be drugs. And it would probably not be a stungun, and there will probably be such a dvd at some point. So consequently there must be a simpler way.
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This is a creepy thread. Sorry, no offense.
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You can do the killing curse with a fly and then make it come back to life. "Musca Domestica" in The Wizards' Journal #1 points the way. By resurrecting it, you have a happy ending.

It IS getting a little creepy in here... sort of like a Sorcerer's Snuff Symposium. However, I would like to mention that in the routine I described above, from The Wizards' Journal #1, no flies are actually killed because, like Mrs. Bates in "Psycho," I wouldn't even harm a fly. It's all done with magic.
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On 2009-11-21 19:32, Spellbinder wrote:
You can do the killing curse with a fly and then make it come back to life. "Musca Domestica" in The Wizards' Journal #1 points the way. By resurrecting it, you have a happy ending.

It IS getting a little creepy in here... sort of like a Sorcerer's Snuff Symposium. However, I would like to mention that in the routine I described above, from The Wizards' Journal #1, no flies are actually killed because, like Mrs. Bates in "Psycho," I wouldn't even harm a fly. It's all done with magic.


I wonder about swapping out a live cat for an identical-looking, but stuffed one. Of course, the latter would have died of natural causes, and given some expert taxidermy. Then bringing the cat "back to life".

I call this putative effect "Schrodinger's Cat" Smile Then you have a built-in rationalisation for using a box for the change, and all you need is a well-known setup plus a moggy of the right temperament to act as assistant, and a deceased lookalike.

Having said that, I guess cats don't have the magical cachet of doves or rabbits for a very good reason!
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Perhaps the bullet catch effect? Only instead of you having to catch the bullet you use a trained monkey, and use a real gun and real bullet. Can you just IMAGINE the laughs this will get when you actually kill the monkey?

Hahaha, just think about it - everyone's expecting some kind of MAGIC effect - and then BLAM! Monkey dust!

Although I hear that monkey prices have gone up . . .
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Although killing something on stage seems like asking for trouble, it can be done to great effect. Anyone remember the Penn and Teller rabbit vanish? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6LH7towwkY

Problem is, that worked because of their character. It clearly won't work in a kid's show and it won't work if you have a persona totally different to them.
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How about resurrecting a dead one?
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I imagine eg) some of the tantric sorcerors of India have no qualms about very violent and even murderous effects, in the name of making people fear them.

In the event that they actually seem to kill people with their curses - this is probably, in a lot of cases, the dark side of auto suggestion and the placebo effect, leveraging the belief system of folk. It didn't work on India's debunker Sanal Edamaruku: http://www.rationalistinternational.net/......n_1.html
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Didn't some of the crazy rock bands of the 70's and 80's sometimes pretend to kill things onstage and then bring them back to life? I also seem to recall reading something about a trick long ago, where the magician beheaded a white chicken and a black chicken, then mismatched the heads with the bodies so he had a white chicken with a black head and a black chicken with a white head. Seems to me the effect actually involved killing the poor animals, but I could be wrong.

Hmmm, this is an odd topic ...
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You might have misremembered BAGWIZ. Dedi (from Ancient Egypt) did a trick where he beheaded an animal and later restored its head. Some people tell the story to the point where he was doing the effect to an ox. But when he refused to do the effect with a prisoner, you're left wondering about the method... I never heard about mismatching being part of the effect.
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You are probably right; I just don't remember where I ever heard about this type of act. For some reason, I thought it was Boscoe or one of his contemporaries. I also thought it was chickens or geese that he worked with. Someone like Max Maven would know the history on an effect like this, no doubt.
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