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Check out my EBook - "Infestation" in which you can have an entire routine infected/invaded by a bug that has to be handled in magic ways, excecpt that it to becomes magical. You can kill it in the end, have it wind up a smeak on a napkin or morph into a buttterfly. It is not an effect in itself, but a series of small effects that serve as a 'Thematic Interlude' thoughout an entire show to enhance the sense of magic.

Otherwise, the 'death' methos is a natural to magic effects, with many being of the destruction and revival theme.
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While this effect takes a few days to complete it sure seems as if you kill someone. Definitely have to be careful for whom you perform this. What is it? "BAND OF THE HAND".
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If you are going to do the whole drugged animal thing, it would be just as well to train a dog to roll over dead. He could be trained to cues in the music, and "die" whenever you want and come back alive whenever you want.
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The dog, or dove, or chicken...could fill the bill and

be funny. (even better in my book....remember those things...I knew you did)

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Funsway's idea...

Kill pests.

Like termites or ants.

Better yet Mosquitoes!

How?

Hmmm....
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On 2009-11-24 02:41, Irfaan Kahan wrote:
Perhaps the bullet catch effect? Only instead of you having to catch the bullet you use a trained monkey, and use a real gun and real bullet. Can you just IMAGINE the laughs this will get when you actually kill the monkey?

Hahaha, just think about it - everyone's expecting some kind of MAGIC effect - and then BLAM! Monkey dust!

Although I hear that monkey prices have gone up . . .


You sound a bit problematic Smile
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In Hocus Pocus, Jr. there is an effect in which a bird on a neighboring roof top falls dead upon command.
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This is getting a bit nuts. Get a rocky, and teach it to play dead. Problem solved.
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Why would you ever want to do that? I don't care if it's a person or a housefly; it's a living being which you don't have the right to kill simply for enjoyment. THAT, good sir, is called sadism. I believe serial killers start out this way...
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To follow up on my earlier post (long ago):
My fisherman-nephew once told me that cicadas could be frozen and kept for awhile in suspended animation.
When thawed out, they would become active again.
If true, this would serve as an opportunity for a mystical 'resurrection' effect or, with the proper 'weird science' trappings, a 'Frankenstein/Herbert West' bizarre routine.
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On 2011-01-02 19:57, RobAnderson wrote:
Why would you ever want to do that? I don't care if it's a person or a housefly; it's a living being which you don't have the right to kill simply for enjoyment. THAT, good sir, is called sadism. I believe serial killers start out this way...

PETA?
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Just spotted this thread, and agree with those who think it’s a bit creepy. Creepy isn’t a crime in itself, just sayin’…

A few observations…

Not hard to kill something. Magic isn’t required, just a large enough dose of kinetic energy.

Bringing something back to life has more magical (or miraculous) implications, hence the more powerful the practitioner.

A housefly could be innocuous enough for a bizarrist, but anything beyond what could be termed “insect life” is likely to generate negative reactions in the viewers. Some performers don’t mind this (or actually intend it). To each his own.

I’ve played with the elder Blackstone’s version of bringing back a “dead” fly. No luck.

But a possible method occurs to me that will have the appearance of what you want. Whether it’s worth the cost is up to you.

  • An electromagnet imbedded in a vertical surface, like a wall or cabinet door.
  • An actual fly, already dead, dabbed with a drop of iron doped black paint.
  • You “notice” the fly on the wall, point your finger at it and say “BANG! (at the same moment you kill power to the electromagnet.)
  • The fly falls to the floor, dead (sic).

Could even be construed as comedy under the right conditions…
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Putting aside the entire "hey I killed something for your entertainment" aspect which I abhor, let's pretend you manage it.

You point your finger and blammo the fly dies. There is no magic, no wow how did he do that, just I wonder what gizmo he has on his finger to kill the fly?

As has been mentioned already on this thread. Bringing stuff back from the dead...now THAT is magical.
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I am reminded of the chapter in the Penn and Teller's How to Play With Your Food, entitled: The Riddle of the Six Dead Fish.
I explains a trick that they did on David Letterman, and the conundrum of killing animals as part of a magic trick.

Aparently originally they were going to have Letterman's watch be smashed, then the peices tossed into a fishtank, which would then dissolve. They would then ask Letterman to pick any fish in the tank, where they would proceed to catch it, kill it and cut it open to find the restored watch inside. The producers totally didn't go for that, so instead they dressed up six dead fish as if they were at market, and that was okay. So in effect, the killing of one fish on camera for a trick was reprehensible, but the killing of six fish off camera and displayed as food for a trick was fine.

I think before someone decides to try a trick that involves actually killing an animal in the course of a trick, they might want to consider whether they are willing to put up with the backlash that will inevitably result. Anything other than a bug is probably going to result in criminal charges if you're actually killing the animal, as opposed to just appearing to kill an animal, and 'bring it back to life.' And you're going to have to proove to some official that you're not actually hurting the animal in the process. Most states have fairly strict animal cruelty laws, and most audiences would not appreciate a trick where an animal is harmed. -For the record I am not PETA, and infact hate that orginization (not for the goal of protecting animals, but for the way they conduct their efforts). But you have to be a little realistic if you actually consider something like this. If this is all speculation, fine and dandy (if a bit morbid) but some fool is going to try a trick where they kill an animal in the process of the trick and it's not going to go over well at all.
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Wow. Months of reading here, and this is the thread I choose for my first post. Kinda embarrassing (albeit not enough so that I'm not doing it anyway...).

If you're British, or living in Old Blighty, you're probably familiar with the magicians Barry and Stewart. They did a TV special several years back called, "The Magic of Jesus", where they went around Egypt recreating the magical effects or miracles of Jesus. One of the things that they did involved going out in a fishing boat with some Egyptian fishermen. They borrowed a coin from one of the fishermen and had him mark it. Threw a net in the water, and then threw the coin in. Pulled the net back into the boat and it was full of fish. Had one of the fishermen select a fish from the net. Then the words, "If you're squeamish, look away now" flashed across the screen, then they had the fisherman hack the fish in half with a knife, revealing the marked coin.

I thought that it was very well done, and well-handled. Somehow, it actually didn't occur to me until just now that the effect necessarily involved killing something. Honestly, I found Penn & Teller cutting a snake in half with scissors a lot more disturbing than the Barry and Stewart effect, and nothing actually died there (but I suppose that it was played for shock effect).

David Blane has done the frozen-fly thing, successfully, with a high-ranking New York cop as his volunteer.
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