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Mr. Mystoffelees
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Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
Mary Mowder
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Absolutely beautiful,

Lovely music. Amazing and artistic card work. I prefer it to the ultra fast work of many others (although I like that too).

Perhaps it is more dance and jugglery than Magic but I have no problem with that.

This art form is certainly growing and expanding at an exciting rate.

Thank you for the link mandarin.

Thank you Dimitri Arleri for a wonderful experience.

-Mary Mowder
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K- the last thing he does it pretty pimp.
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Good thing this guy doesn't take himself too seriously. I could see how people might find that annoying. I mean... if he did which he doesn't. Clearly.
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The question is...can he find my card? Smile
Mathias Kersting
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On 2009-11-23 22:26, Sword of the Soldier wrote:
The question is...can he find my card? Smile


Does he have too?
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Maybe its just me - but - ZZzzzzzzz
huruey
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Wow. Some of that was just mad. I find it quite funny that at one point he quite literally juggles with the cards! I still prefer being able to do something impossible.

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Irfaan Kahan
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Everytime I start to imagine that I'm getting pretty good something like this comes along and makes me feel like a rank amateur.

I say well done to him, I thought it looked beautiful.
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ZZzz its correct for me too. That is something that I will never understand about that type of excessive flourishing; it is not entertaining for more than 30 seconds. The first reaction from a layman might be wow; but then it becomes boring. I mean in real life there is no music when you are performing and really what can you possibly say when you juggle cards for 5 mins in real life. I rather practice sleights that can produce magic; magic that will entertain and will make me interact with an audience.
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Yes, but who says he's doing it for a lay audience? I practice card flourishes everyday, from cuts to catches. The only "flourish" I perform in real life is a pressure fan.

However, I still dedicate time from my life to master ever more fancy moves, for no other purpose than to show off to my fiance and friends which gives me no small amount of personal gratification.
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Roger Kelly
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Great stuff for those who care. But this is juggling. It's boring
Mathias Kersting
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On 2009-11-24 00:21, martin1025 wrote:
ZZzz its correct for me too. That is something that I will never understand about that type of excessive flourishing; I mean in real life there is no music when you are performing and really what can you possibly say when you juggle cards for 5 mins in real life.


I may be incorrect, but I think his main intention with this video was to share ideas that he's discovered/experimented with to other flourishers. A lot of card-flourishers seem to just do the same stuff and not move forward.

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On 2009-11-24 00:21, martin1025 wrote:
it is not entertaining for more than 30 seconds. The first reaction from a layman might be wow; but then it becomes boring.


And maybe just executing sleights and not using them in a context of a trick will get the same response.

For people to appreciate flourishes, the moves shouldn't just be executed, but routined,choreographed, and be performed with emotion (performing jugglers, even Cirque de Solei come to mind). Like methods and sleights need to be used in context with presentational ploys and such to be entertaining and amaze.

However flourishes are eye-candy. Magic connects with people on a more deeper emotional level.
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My question to those who would go on to say that this is just "juggling" and "boring," or "not entertaining" is, why can't we just give props to someone who has obviously put in the time to master a certain skill with our mutually loved playing cards? Sure it may not be "close up card magic" but, there is something that can be learnt from everything. Maybe there is an actual sleight you are wanting to practice, master, and perform with in one of your shows, but feel it is just too difficult. Well, looking at a video like this could be used as inspiration to keep trying.

If anything, this can be viewed as art, which the majority of close up magicians will claim they are doing with their magic as well.

Less hating, more loving please. Step outside of the box and try to throw away the stubborness.
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The Cave Paintings at Lascaux are Eye Candy so is Ballet and yet they can connect on a deep emotional level.

Two card Monte not so much. It all depends on the Eye Candy and the Magic.

Irfaan Kahan, I know what you mean. I work on flourishes even though the art has long since left me in the dust. I still love it and I enjoy watching others do it well.

He obviously does take his flourishes seriously. that's what makes him and others like him great.
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It's not boring, but it may be in the wrong section.

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Irfaan Kahan
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On 2009-11-24 02:04, satoeri wrote:
My question to those who would go on to say that this is just "juggling" and "boring," or "not entertaining" is, why can't we just give props to someone who has obviously put in the time to master a certain skill with our mutually loved playing cards? Sure it may not be "close up card magic" but, there is something that can be learnt from everything. Maybe there is an actual sleight you are wanting to practice, master, and perform with in one of your shows, but feel it is just too difficult. Well, looking at a video like this could be used as inspiration to keep trying.

If anything, this can be viewed as art, which the majority of close up magicians will claim they are doing with their magic as well.

Less hating, more loving please. Step outside of the box and try to throw away the stubborness.


Exactly
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martin1025
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However, I still dedicate time from my life to master ever more fancy moves, for no other purpose than to show off to my fiance and friends which gives me no small amount of personal gratification.

If that is what drives you to do that type of flourishing that is fine; there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I was just stating my opinion as far as how entertaining it was. Keep in mind I love cards and I am always excited when there is something new or original. However if to me, a person who loves anything card magic and gambling related, it is boring after about 30 seconds (even with nice music) how do you think the people you perform this for might feel.



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I may be incorrect, but I think his main intention with this video was to share ideas that he's discovered/experimented with to other flourishers. A lot of card-flourishers seem to just do the same stuff and not move forward.

The purpose of magic is to create effects that are deceptive, entertaining, and that have audience interaction. I can see that moving forward. However, I am having a hard time saying the same about flourishing. Flourishing will NEVER make an audience react the same way an actual magic performance can. Flourishing cannot create audience interaction, an engaging story, and the illusion that what can't be happening is happening. To me that type of Flourishing says this to it's audience "hey watch this repetitive motion, I will not talk, and you do not take part in this presentation."
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And maybe just executing sleights and not using them in a context of a trick will get the same response.

I am with you on this one. I prefer when a sleight is shown to be practical in the context of an effect. I like when something is shown to be practical. For example I have yet to find a motivation to learn the antifaro. The same thing is true about that type of flourishing (at least for me).
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Magic connects with people on a more deeper emotional level.




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On 2009-11-24 02:04, satoeri wrote:
If anything, this can be viewed as art

Yes, but it's a different type of art. You said so yourself it is not card magic. Flourishing is basically card juggling. It does takes practice and it can be difficult at times.

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which the majority of close up magicians will claim they are doing with their magic as well.

That is incorrect (no opinion here, this is a fact). The majority of successful magicians do not use flourishing in that way. Certainly not in the way shown in the video.

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Less hating, more loving please. Step outside of the box and try to throw away the stubborness.

Stubborness? I really have no idea what are you talking about. I was stating an opinion. As mentioned above, I know it takes skill in many cases a lot of skill. But as I said before, it's like the type of skill for a move like the antifaro (the one were you spring the cards that is).

I am going to sleep now.
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Irfaan Kahan
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Good point, Martin. That's fair enough.
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On 2009-11-24 00:50, Irfaan Kahan wrote:
The only "flourish" I perform in real life is a pressure fan.

Dude-- if you have any definition of "real life" that includes a card flourish or even a card trick, you really need to redefine your priorities in life! Smile

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